In this episode of the ShopNotes Podcast, Phil, Logan, and John talk woodworking tools, hand-tool sharpening, current shop projects, and what’s happening behind the scenes at Woodsmith and Popular Woodworking. The crew digs into sharpening systems, compares traditional hand planes with new titanium planes, and answers listener questions about woodworking tools and techniques.
They also share updates on current woodworking projects, including Phil’s pine writing desk, Logan’s table saw outfeed table, and a new shop storage project for Woodsmith Magazine. Plus, Phil and Logan prepare for their upcoming woodworking tour of Sweden and Denmark and preview the demonstrations, makers, and woodworking techniques they’re looking forward to at Woodworking in America.
If you enjoy woodworking podcasts covering hand tools, power tools, woodworking projects, shop talk, and the people and ideas shaping the craft, this episode has plenty to dig into.
The latest photos of Phil's desk. It's almost nearly done.
Transcript
Phil Huber (00:12.621) It is the ShopNotes Podcast, episode number two hundred and eighty-six. I'm Phil, your host, along with John Doyle, Logan Wittmer. We're checking in today on some projects that we've been working on. Projects in our home shops, a couple of books we've been reading. And Logan and I are washing all of our underwear and socks, getting ready for our trip to Sweden and Denmark in a couple of days. And we're also going to check in with listener and viewer comments. Let's jump right in.
All right. We last week we talked about being at handworks, checking in with some people, seeing if anybody else picked up anything while they were at at handworks and what they got. so a couple of those comments here. Eric at Driftless Joinery made it out of handworks without buying much this year. One of Tony's Hillview Tools brass compasses and a marking gauge from John Joffy. Is that his yeah.
Lots of great stuff and great people ran into some old friends and made some new ones. I managed to get one pass through the big barn Friday, and after that it was too crowded. Peter Galbert was out of his turning caliper, and I bought one online later that night. I think it's getting delivered today. Great talking with Logan, Mike, Bridget, Anisa at the AIM booth Friday too. See you all at Woodworking in America. Well, we can't wait to see you either. So, Eric, Driftless Joinery.
Logan (01:48.194) Who was that?
Got it.
Phil Huber (01:55.65) Ano Coffee says, Cigar and 3D guy here in humid Maryland. I keep my PLA and PETG in individual Ziploc bags. And right now my humidor door is wide open at the moment. Regarding Japanese tools for Logan, run away. I've got a dealer in Tokyo who works with the blacksmiths to source high quality tools, and it's a wonderful rabbit hole.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
John Doyle (02:26.742) You might have a Japanese steel mule on your hands here. Get you the good stuff.
Phil Huber (02:35.126) Harold McDonald says I want to report to all that the bidet is life changing.
Logan (02:40.343) Told you like I can only I can only preach. It's up it's up to you to take up the gospel.
Phil Huber (02:43.237) Yeah.
Right. I he's got a much longer review about it here. so you wanna check out two eighty five. We don't need to go into all the details here. So
Logan (02:51.565) Yeah, don't yeah, don't go into detail.
John Doyle (02:53.633) Ha ha ha.
Phil Huber (02:59.717) Yeah. Big fan, Harold McDonald. It's the bidet. Bony Board Wood Shop says Chunk a Chunk sponsored by Zenmu Tools. Andrew Rennan Canada does have some nice Japanese planes. You could get the plane iron and make the die, a new business venture for Chunk of Chunk, selling die blanks.
Logan (03:19.862) Phil Huber (03:27.033) You could, I mean oak. Bur oak die blanks. Iowa bur oak die blank. I mean it beats pin oak die blanks.
John Doyle (03:28.556) Yeah.
Logan (03:28.971) Bro broke?
Logan (03:34.987) Though yeah, yeah, the movement curly ash or apple. apple would be sweet.
John Doyle (03:37.73) Curly Ash dye blanks.
Phil Huber (03:41.414) see? Yeah. Yeah. Almost perfection says I picked up the Zen Wu magnetic plate sharpening setup and I really liked it. Any experience with that system? I don't have much experience with other sharpening setups and don't have much to compare it to. I think you have that set, right? Or you had that in for Popwood for testing or something.
John Doyle (03:44.194) Mm-hmm.
Logan (04:03.915) I do. yeah, it's still here. the it's different. Like it works it works well. Like I'm never gonna say something doesn't work well. I don't
Coming from water stones to oil stones to diamond plates, like I like to feel the cutting action. You can't feel the cutting action on that. And inherently that just is something that I don't care for because it uses
It uses these magnetic plates, if anybody's watching. this one's actually a leather strop, but like it uses these plates which are like diamond. actually I grabbed I grabbed the two straps. Of course. Yep. so like it uses this like diamond card. it just says
Phil Huber (04:55.13) Perfect.
Logan (05:06.989) course diamond card. I don't feel like they cut as well as they work. They work great. but I s I don't feel like they cut as nicely as like a diamond plate or a stone does. They do. It's just is a very it's a tactile thing for me. Like I like to feel the I like to feel the you know grit as I'm sharpening. so they do they do work nice. I wish there was a cover.
for it, like that you could cover up 'cause they just kinda sit on the bench and get dusty. So
Phil Huber (05:41.667) Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I've only seen them at a couple of shows and that set that you had in for review for Pop Wood. So I don't I don't know.
I don't mind diamonds. I have a diamond plate, a two sided diamond plate that I use basically just for some of the initial steps on things. Otherwise I use oil stones.
When I'm in my home shop and then we have some water stones here. So I I'm kind of
Phil Huber (06:24.097) agnostic when it comes to whatever the system is, like you just look go with what you're trying to look for, you know, like you're trying to, you know, develop a burr on one side or whatever and get to a sharp edge.
Logan (06:25.858) Mm-hmm.
John Doyle (06:38.422) Okay.
Phil Huber (06:39.791) So but I it like Ben Strano at Fine Woodworking, he loved that setup.
Logan (06:45.291) Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think it just depends on what you're used to, I think. like because I like that tactile like feedback from the stone, like honestly, I like I love water stones. I love water stones. However, I just hate the mess of water stones. Like if I could get like the water stone feel off of any other system, cool, great. which I think's why I went to
Phil Huber (06:50.222) Yeah.
Logan (07:15.571) Oil stones, which the oil stones I went to were was a really nice set from Dan's Whetstones. and they they they don't cut as fast as the water stones and you don't have that tactile feel for of them. So like I I think that's why I moved on from those pretty quickly. but yeah.
Like if I could sharpen on a cinder block, I think that's about the right.
the right interaction I want.
Phil Huber (07:48.365) All right. All right.
Phil Huber (07:53.045) Jamil Abraham wrote in a couple of comments about handworks because we had wondered about the floor in the Fest Hall barn, and he did say that it was a new floor. So it is a new floor, and also that the first hand works was twenty thirteen.
Logan (08:05.596) okay.
Logan (08:12.194) Hm.
Phil Huber (08:13.295) So, because I wasn't sure if it was twenty fifteen, but even earlier. It's been going on a while. He would know.
Logan (08:18.797) I think Jamil would know. I think I think he would know.
Phil Huber (08:23.533) Of all the people he would know and have the scars to prove it.
Logan (08:27.149) Emotionally.
John Doyle (08:27.498) Phil Huber (08:30.405) Yeah. Not all scars you can see. Paul Christian says, You asked about handworks adventures. The only thing that followed me home was a marking gauge from Hamilton ToolWorks. I bought a cheap marking gauge and it just doesn't enthuse me. The Hamilton one not only looks fabulous, it adjusts easily, feels good, and makes a clear line. A bit pricey, but someone once said you only cry once for a good tool.
Phil Huber (09:00.005) There you are. Yeah. Hamilton works stuff is is pretty cool.
John Doyle (09:04.203) Okay.
Phil Huber (09:08.943) Michael Thompson says, quoting Logan, the long fermenting outfeed table, does this mean that Logan's shop will smell strongly of sauerkraut?
Phil Huber (09:21.315) Maybe, I don't know. The discussion of Zen Wu tools did get me thinking. One comment I've heard repeatedly about Lee Nielsen, Veritas, Clifton planes is that their greater weight compared to the old Stanley Bailey style planes is a benefit. It seems to be cons seems to consistently be said that it aids in planing. Zen Wu is now coming out with titanium alloy planes. I checked their website and that's as specific as they got.
Titanium is considerably less dense than iron. So I suppose those planes will now be lighter. Question for the group. Which is it? I actually play a metallurgist at work and have found and have been around titanium and steel alloys. And one of the problems with titanium is that for a metal, it leans towards the brittle side. Brittle being relative, because it's still metal. I guess I'm not seeing the benefit here to the end user.
So I wonder what Zen Wu is saying besides the few comments on their website.
Logan (10:25.709) I am holding kind of my go-to block plane, which is a Lee Nielsen 102. 102. Bronze and the Titanium Zen Wu. The bronze one's definitely heavier. in the block plane, I don't know that it matters that much. Like, I I did ask, so when I was at Handworks last week, I did, or two weeks ago, whenever that was.
John Doyle (10:31.339) Mm-hmm.
Logan (10:55.521) I did ask Luke about the why, why titanium? Because like, is it absorb shock better? Does it transfer the force better? and he basically he said steel is actually better, I think, at at like shock absorption, if I remember right. I I I wish I would have paid a little bit more attention to what his response was on it. but it was more that it
didn't vibrate as much. So I don't know if that really lines up exactly in my head. in a block plane, don't think it matters. You know, the weight isn't that big a deal. I think in a bench plane, I think there's a valid question there. Like, you know, just
Just because you can make a jack plane out of titanium, should you? I don't know.
I mean, you're right, generally the heavier a plane, the better it operates. That's why like infills were fantastic. Infill planes work great because they have heft and generally they're built with a really tight mouth. so I don't know. Yeah, like it does seem counterintuitive.
Phil Huber (12:22.221) I would counter that though with let's go with a Japanese or Chinese traditional planes that are all solid wood. Nary a bit of metal to be found other than the blade and a chipbreaker.
Logan (12:34.423) Fair to fair point, yeah.
Phil Huber (12:37.975) You know, and like even in the Western tradition, because the jack plane I made a jack plane that's walnut and beach and it works great. So I think it depends. You know, and then some of the like newer infill plane makers, you know, Conrad Sauer and and those a lot of the materials they're using, the infill woods are
dense heavy tone woods, which are kind of the opposite of vibration dampening.
Logan (13:16.171) Mm-hmm.
Phil Huber (13:19.471) So I think it kind of depends on what the you know, what are you trying to get from the plane? 'Cause I think you could c very clearly from both the historical and current record that there's two different paths.
Phil Huber (13:41.113) John, you're the only one here that actually went to school for science.
John Doyle (13:46.084) don't put that on me. Yeah. It's been twenty plus years since I took a a metallurgy materials class, so I think I did pretty good in it, but I don't know. I don't wanna I don't wanna speak to the specifics, I guess. I'm no expert.
Phil Huber (13:47.223) So we're gonna need to have you chime in here.
Phil Huber (14:09.785) I think if you're selling a metal body plane, you're gonna pitch the
Phil Huber (14:17.829) heft of it and the inertia that it creates. And if you're creating and building and selling wood body planes, you're gonna talk about the lightness and the wood on wood feel and the fact that you can plane for much longer without getting tired, blah, blah, blah. So it's I don't know.
Phil Huber (14:43.141) Two paths diverge in a forest.
Phil Huber (14:48.217) All right. As always, we love hearing your questions, comments, and smart remarks. You can send those to us. You can do that through email, woodsmith at woodsmith.com, or just post a comment on our YouTube channel for the Shop Notes podcast, and we'll pick it up from there. So looking forward to the next ones.
Like I said at the top of the show, Logan and I are getting ready for the tour in a couple of days. When this episode drops, it'll be the very next day we're jumping on a plane and flying transatlantically.
Logan (15:32.012) Mm-hmm.
Phil Huber (15:33.667) So Logan, I know you got an issue due this week too, right?
Logan (15:39.522) Yeah. Well, yeah, technically it was due last week, but because our the way our trade show schedules worked and stuff, our sales team lost some time on it, so they needed to they needed an extra week on getting like all the ads to come in and stuff. So like, you know, chasing artwork down from companies and whatever. So we actually bumped it out by a week, which actually was it was it was nice. we we c we would have had it done in time anyways, however
it yeah, goes out to the printer. I'm trying to get it uploaded today because then that'll give me a couple days to review it before we leave. really rather not be trying to review proofs in a Copenhagen hotel. So that would be obnoxious. So but yeah, so we have what do we have in there? We have a we have the breadboard I built. that's in there. We have a
John Doyle (16:31.842) Okay.
Logan (16:39.753) Knockdown, knockdown, calling it knockdown, like game board table. so like a conversion dining table into a game table from Ralph Bagnall. I say knockdown, it's not meant to be taken apart, but it is assembled using cam fasteners and the threaded insert type bolt studs. because it he was shipping it to his
daughter somewhere. So he wanted to kind of build it like flat pack style, which is kind of cool. And then we have a a studio stool by Shea Alexander. it's kind of a higher style stool meant to be used like at your workbench and stuff. he made one out of Elm. that has a lot of a lot of pages on that one.
Lot of good photos. so that's in there. have a shop made finish article in there and then handful of new tools. Couple things from Woodpeckers, couple things from nano one thing from Nano Hone. we have the Craig Edge in there as well. So the new domino from Craig. the domino type tool from Craig.
So yeah, showing off a handful of things. So
John Doyle (18:14.851) Your breadboard that has a crumb tray on it? Is that is that right?
Logan (18:17.673) It does. Yeah. So it yeah, so it's like a lattice work. Lattice work. Call it like a Kumiko type lattice work. I mean there's no like angles, it's all half laps holding it together. but then that sits in a rabbit in basically a open tray, four sided open tray. So
John Doyle (18:37.507) I feel like you have the opportunity here to like don't build another crummy breadboard or something. Huh? Some huh?
Logan (18:42.669) That could be a good tagline. Could be.
Phil Huber (18:46.159) Yeah, yeah.
John Doyle (18:49.293) That's free. You can use that. No licensing.
Logan (18:50.859) Okay, thank you. Thank you.
Phil Huber (18:58.277) Perfect. All right. Any other progress on your outfeed table to report?
Logan (19:03.861) No, it's still sitting in a pile. we've been kind of pumping along on the the issue. because when you have an extra week to do something, you generally use the extra week to do something. So so this week has been kind of finishing up issue stuff, chasing down ads and stuff, and then also spending some time standing at the the laser doing some stuff.
Phil Huber (19:18.149) Right. yeah, yeah.
Logan (19:33.208) For our Denmark Sweden tour. we generally try to bring notebooks and name tags for everybody. So I did some stainless steel name tags and some laser engraved notebooks and stuff. So kind of knocked those out over the last couple of days. the I'm using this 60-watt Omtech Galvo laser. the Galvo lasers use a couple of mirrors in there that flutter kind of like wings.
John Doyle (19:55.371) Okay.
Logan (20:03.413) And they can engrave really, really quickly. So instead of doing like the whole printer head thing where it's a a head that moves back and forth on a gantry like a C and C, this is just a fluttering. So they can go really, really fast. But depending on what you're doing, you might have to turn the speedway down. So like the pens I did for our thing, the pens took like four seconds apiece. Like they just went super fast. the notebooks took like
35 to 40 minutes a piece. And then the name tags, I did seven at a time. Those took like four and a half or five hours for seven and a half, or for seven of them. So, like, so like eight hours of doing name tags. and it's always one of those things like you keep checking back in because you're like, it has to be close, and it's like three percent closer to being done. It's like dang. So
Phil Huber (20:43.791) Wow.
Logan (20:58.509) Long story short, yeah, the outfeed table is still kind of just chilling there. I made the extra parts I needed. I was missing a couple of rails, which is honestly why that project stalled out. I I made four rails. I actually needed six. so I had to make two new parts. and I did that. I did that while the laser was running. the other the other thing is with the laser, and it's not.
Not that big a deal, but the books and the books and the name tags were so sensitive to anything. Like the cover the leatherette on the cover on the notebooks that we did was very inconsistent from one notebook to another. So they were like kind of like changing color a little bit, like changing darkness a hair.
Phil Huber (21:55.834) Mm-hmm.
Logan (21:56.35) so I got where I was close and it was like it was like if you change the power by two percent, you were burning through. But if you went two percent the other way, it was not showing up. So it was like very sensitive. And then the I did color engraving on the stainless steel name tags. So we did green little gristle tree of life, and then we did names and stuff. getting colors on stainless steel is is also a very sensitive, very sensitive frequency and the pulse
the nanosecond pulse setting. So like I was trying to avoid d doing anything dusty in the shop just because I'm like, what if ambient dust gets in that laser beam and then it changes stuff? And like it was and I had a I had a fan set up because the the leather was putting off some nasty smelling fumes and stuff. the the stainless steel wasn't bad, but the leather was a little nasty. So I had the window open and the fan turned on so it was blowing air outside and I'm
Had a tendency to pull dust. So long story short, I didn't do much woodworking while those were running because I was very hesitant on screwing them up and I did not have any extras. So need to get those done. So yeah. It is still sitting there in piles. it's ready ish to assemble. I need to route three grooves and then I can start assembling it. But then once I get it assembled, I gotta paint it. So
Phil Huber (23:27.055) Getting
Logan (23:28.118) Yeah. Yeah it is.
Phil Huber (23:32.39) All right. I yesterday did the first stage of assembly on my desk project, my white pine desk that I've been working on, low these many months. Probably a leave in a little bit longer than Logan's outfeed table. So it's just one of those things where if I have especially if I'm doing video on it, the way that we're doing video for this project, it just takes way longer.
Than if it would be in my own shop. but got it assembled, lots of liquid hide glue and clamps. And I think it's kind of fun to be kind of in one piece now instead of just a bunch of loose bits that are floating around the shop and the studio here, accumulating dings and dents that they don't need to. So you can keep track of that on our YouTube channel.
We've been posting videos about that going along. So yeah, lots to see on that. And then if you're coming for woodworking in America, which you should be just a few weeks away, I'll have the desk here in the studio at whatever stage it's at. So hoping to have it mostly assembled at that point. I prefinished a bunch of it, but I don't know if I'll have time coming back to
put the rest of the finish on. But anyway, you get to see that and I'm excited. It's turning out pretty cool. It's got a lot of details that I'm really, really happy with. So John, how about you? What's going on?
John Doyle (25:14.825) Excuse me. we were talking about hand works earlier, and I didn't mention last time. I a little humble brag here, but I was recognized two different times at handworks. And this is yeah, one of them is Logan. No, this is and this is how it went. One one time I was standing like on the edge of the the barn, and he's like, Hey, you're one of those shop notes guys, and I'm like, Yeah, and he's like, Which one are you again? And I'm like, John.
Phil Huber (25:25.816) Nice.
Logan (25:26.541) One of was me though.
John Doyle (25:44.324) It's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. And the other time was going into Oxyoke Inn, I recognized the the guy too that he Rob, he comes to woodworking in America normally, but can't come this year. But he's like, You look familiar. And I was like, I work for Woodsmith and the Shop Notes podcast. He's like, yeah, Phil? I'm like, no, it's John. So that was the extent of like being vaguely looking vaguely familiar.
Just so but you know, it's a start. It's a start. Yeah. But so yeah. yeah, so we're working on some projects for the next issue of Woodsmith, and it sounds like Phil and I are gonna do a little team up. He saw a storage project that he liked and wanted to build, so we're gonna do it for the magazine and I gotta do the drawings and
Phil's gonna do the building and so it'll be kind of a a new opportunity there, I guess, for team up. But so so yeah, so hopefully I'll have those drawings done by the time you get back from your Europe trip and get moving on the next issue.
Phil Huber (27:02.181) I believe Logan's gonna supply the oak for that as well.
John Doyle (27:05.622) wow. This is a shop notes podcast trio. Yeah.
Logan (27:07.094) Okay.
Collab.
Phil Huber (27:09.73) Yes. Yeah.
Cross Media
John Doyle (27:14.092) Actually
Logan (27:17.015) What type of oak are we doing? Are we doing rusty oak? Rusticky oak? Or are we doing like clean oak?
Phil Huber (27:20.973) Rustic y oak, yeah. No, I was the piece that I found was at the inspiration for it was at my friend's cabin. And his version was I don't know how old. He can't remember a time when that thing wasn't there. and it's kind of got a green finish on it. Paint, grime, whatever.
I was thinking oak, but it's kind of in a relaxed cabin style. So I didn't want to go all stickly on it. And was thinking maybe oak with a great personality. Cause I think we've done that on a couple of projects. I even on the TV show where what was that tabletop that we did where it was like pin oak, or was that the burr oak? Pin oak table.
Logan (28:15.197) It was Pinoak. Yeah. The farmhouse table that moves like an inch and a half over the year. Yeah.
Phil Huber (28:21.581) Yeah, but it worked out great. And then there was something else that we that bookcase, right? That's in your office.
Logan (28:29.355) Yeah, that's Baroque. Yeah. Yeah, it's a nice one. Except John put red oak in the back panel.
Phil Huber (28:32.035) You know? Yeah.
John Doyle (28:37.101) I must I was gonna say if we're gonna do a true oak collab here, we gotta mix in some red oak, some white oak. Whatever you got.
Phil Huber (28:41.155) Yeah. Right. Yeah.
Logan (28:45.343) we got oak.
Phil Huber (28:45.455) Hyb hybrid vigor. So anyway, yeah, just make a it's a it's kind of like a blanket chest, but it's not very deep. I think it's only like nine inches deep. So but it's raised up off the floor by nine inches. So it's a it's got a little bit of coffee table in it, a little bit of blanket chest, a little bit of bench seat kind of feel to it. So I think it'll be fun.
Be a good one. A frame and panel extravaganza is really what it is.
Phil Huber (29:24.205) Yeah, and then we're also speaking of woodworking in America, getting the place ready here because we're gonna have some corporate y folk come in a couple of days before the event. So since companies coming, we gotta like clean up all the stuff.
Logan (29:41.751) Yeah.
Phil Huber (29:43.542) sort out things, which is part of the reason that we're yeah, part of the reason that we're doing the garage sales to clean out a little bit of the stuff that we got there. John did some gardening out front earlier this summer. We had a pretty extensive pumpkin vine in our front planter. And according to Becky, Spider Mites got it, and we only ended up getting one pumpkin out of it.
Logan (29:45.325) Clean the gutters.
John Doyle (29:59.396) Yes.
Logan (30:11.489) Hmm. Is
Phil Huber (30:12.049) And now it's just kinda John cleaned it up a little bit, but we're gonna have to do something else there.
John Doyle (30:18.157) Do more. Yep.
Logan (30:20.351) Is Becky the Luna Lovegood of our team where it's like spider mites aren't really a real thing, but maybe they are and we don't know.
Phil Huber (30:27.171) Ha ha ha.
John Doyle (30:28.163) Yeah.
Phil Huber (30:30.969) Yeah, I mean spider mites are nargys. I don't know whatever it is on there. So but yeah, we were contemplating maybe putting some mums out front or who knows. Maybe just go to one of the pumpkin stands that are gonna be popping up here in town and then just get a bunch of pumpkins to put out there and have it a very a very Charlie Brown kind of look to it out front for when we have company.
Logan (30:34.433) Yeah.
Logan (30:56.171) Yeah, we gotta see what the weather's like first.
Phil Huber (30:58.947) Right. Yeah. 'Cause
Logan (31:00.309) We can only do that if it's fall weather. If it's summer weather.
Phil Huber (31:03.991) Right. Yeah, that's true. Although the last few days we've had fall like temperatures and Old Testament like rain.
Logan (31:11.757) You yeah, you aren't kidding.
Phil Huber (31:15.213) I think like a week ago, our September precipitation was trending dry. And now in less than a week we went to the second wettest September on record in Iowa here. So where I live, on one day we got eight inches of rain and then like less than a week later got another four inches of rain. That's just a lot of water and not a lot of places to put it. So
Flooding, wet basements, some pumps gurgling and sputtering all over. It's the sounds of autumn.
John Doyle (31:55.544) Once the once the plagues pass, we'll decide how we're gonna decorate the front of the building. Early October.
Phil Huber (31:59.462) Yeah.
Phil Huber (32:04.131) Right. All right. I had a question come in here.
Phil Huber (32:12.709) From Matt, who writes, just saw the Woodworking in America lineup. Any of the speakers you're particularly excited about?
John Doyle (32:22.327) Let's rank from least excited to excited. Ready? Go. You guys go first.
Phil Huber (32:25.123) Ha ha ha.
Phil Huber (32:34.625) Logan Whitmer, top of the list.
Logan (32:36.949) kind of feel like I don't know. I told I told one of our event planners this week that I need to renegotiate my speaking fees for this event. I am
So this is hard because I know a lot of these people. You know what I mean? So it's like I get to spend time in people's shops with them. So like I spent a lot of time with Shay and Albert. So it's like, yeah, it's just Shay and Albert. Like we're just hanging out, right? Shay's will be cool because he's doing some steam bending.
Logan (33:21.653) Vic's Vic. I hope he gets that. I hope he hears that. Vic is Vic. No, Vic is always a he's always a good time. and he always has interesting, r I think relatable presentations where like, you know, Shay's doing like a steam bending thing. Like I I don't know how in depth Shay's going on steam bending, but like it really, really good knowledge and demonstration for somebody that wants to learn steam bending.
Phil Huber (33:26.393) Ha ha.
Logan (33:51.274) If somebody doesn't want to learn steam betting, it's kind of like, well, that's kind of lost on me. I think Vic is very relatable with a lot of the stuff that he demonstrates. personally, now I say this after four years of doing events, three years of doing events,
And I never set in any of the demos because I'm always doing other stuff, which is unfortunate. because I would I would love to. I think I would like to set in Sari's presentation because I've followed Sari. I actually have one of Sari's books, I don't know where it's at, on s on coloring wood with spalting. so like I've I've I've
That's one I would be interested in for sure. to me that's an interesting one. I think they're all interesting. but yeah. I like how do you like how do you tell one of your yeah, say how do you tell one of your kids that are your favorite? When you really do have a favorite, you're just not gonna say it.
John Doyle (34:55.981) Pick your favorite child. Yeah. I always just tell I just tell all my kids that they're tied for my least favorite.
Logan (35:07.917) I see, I tell I tell Henry he's my favorite youngest kid, and I tell Fletcher he's my favorite oldest kid.
Phil Huber (35:20.911) I guess I would look at it this way. I think there's a couple of presenters coming that I'm interested in personally about the topic that they're speaking on. There's several people coming in where, for the most part, they could read the dictionary and I would sit in on their presentation because they're gonna do a great job. And
you know, being able to connect with them socially, I think is probably as important as the s as the as the topic that they're doing.
So like you, I would say Sari Robinson's wood mythbusters is gonna be a hoot of a time.
Logan (36:11.178) Mm-hmm.
Phil Huber (36:13.905) does a great job on interacting with people, and just having the science and the research and the long-running experience to back it all up is just really cool because there's I think practically every hobby or specialty can have a certain amount of lore that gets attached to it. Woodworking is no exception to that.
Logan (36:29.996) Mm-hmm.
Logan (36:40.075) Yeah.
Phil Huber (36:43.809) Especially when you start throwing in all the cultures, all the history, all the different styles of working. And to kind of shake up the snow globe on that will be a a good time. I'm excited about David Johnson's Danish chord one. Just because I've watched his work on Instagram mostly, but he's had a couple of articles, several articles in fine woodworking.
Logan (37:01.645) Mm.
Phil Huber (37:13.809) on different topics. And he does a lot of he builds stuff new, but he does a lot of repair, restoration, refurbishing of like mid-century pieces. That's kind of a little lane that he's found professionally. And it's
That's very fascinating to me. So I'm excited to hear that one. And then
Phil Huber (37:43.846) You know, like Dan Bollock, he's attended woodworking in America in the past. So he's gonna be presenting this year. So that's kind of a fun completing the circle kind of thing. And he's definitely got more of a nerdy thing on stronger mortise and tenon joints, which will always be kind of a cool one to go through too.
John Doyle (38:06.445) Yeah, I was like Logan said, we're all usually kind of busy, so it's hard to duck into to all of these presentations. But I always find that when we have all these people come in, there's topics that are kinda in my wheelhouse that I'm interested in, but it's the ones that are outside of my realm of knowledge or I I don't think I'm interested in that always kind of find my interest, I guess. Cause it's it's learning new things or
Logan (38:31.959) Yeah.
John Doyle (38:34.803) Or it's like, that is kinda cool and like how can I, you know, bring that into my projects or or that kind of thing. So if you are coming, I would recommend go check out the things that you're not interested in too, or you don't know that you're interested in yet. So
Logan (38:49.645) You see this cat chewing on my finger, but he's like hardcore purring as he does it? I'm very I'm getting mixed signals here. Like he's
Phil Huber (38:50.245) Mm.
John Doyle (38:54.743) Yeah.
Phil Huber (38:58.105) Right. He might be teething. Like is a wisdom teeth coming in? Just gotta like
John Doyle (38:58.37) Ha ha ha.
Yeah. Yeah. Put a little whiskey on his gums, you know.
Logan (39:02.645) Mm.
Logan (39:06.445) Man, my grandpa when I was younger and was like stuffed up or whatever, that's what he would do. He'd be like, Here six year old Logan, have a shot of whiskey.
John Doyle (39:10.003) Yeah.
John Doyle (39:17.603) I mean that's basically what cops are up is, right? Yeah.
Logan (39:20.683) I mean kind of, yeah.
Phil Huber (39:26.245) yeah. There you go.
John Doyle (39:29.175) Don't take medical advice from the Shop Notes podcast, by the way. That's a legal note there. For legal reasons. This is for entertainment purposes.
Logan (39:31.693) Mm-hmm.
Phil Huber (39:31.961) Right. Yeah.
Phil Huber (39:36.24) Disc yeah, disclaimer. So one thing to note about woodworking in America, Mark Harrell from Saw Sharp, founder of Bad Axe Tools, he was on our schedule to both appear and as an exhibitor, but is going through some health issues right now and has a procedure scheduled for that particular weekend and had to bow out.
Of that. So we wish Mark well and a speedy recovery. it's heart related but not life threatening. He wanted us to make sure that that got around there because it's very easy in the internets, apparently, to have rumors blow all out of proportion about what's going on. Mark is not dying. right. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Logan (40:27.339) Well, I mean we all are, aren't we? Minute by minute.
John Doyle (40:31.841) Me, I'm living. I'm living, baby.
Logan (40:33.397) Yeah.
Phil Huber (40:36.463) So nobody freak out because Mark is freaking in. So he'll be he's already signed up for next year's woodworking in America. So we'll have him back for that. And yeah. Godspeed, Mark Harrell, get better.
Logan (40:54.549) Right P.
Phil Huber (40:59.215) Yep. There you go.
Logan (41:00.275) And to be very clear, Mark told us to say that, so it's not a HIPAA violation, so
Logan (41:10.157) Gotta CYA, you know?
Phil Huber (41:15.535) Maybe next time on the ShopNotes podcast, we'll just do an entire episode of disclaimers and you know, any other things that we can do just to make sure that we're covering all of our bases. I think that's it for another episode of the ShopNotes Podcast. It's a production of active interest media, weekly woodworking podcast highlighting the work of Woodsmith, ShopNotes, and Popular Woodworking magazine.
and all the events and excitement therein. Nate Gruca is your editor and mixer, and John Doyle is the digital editor. Thanks for listening, everybody. Bye.
