Hand Tool Haven
Woodsmith & Popular Woodworking were sponors of this year's Hand Tool Haven, the show put on by Plane Wellness. Logan attended and presented on finishing.
Trees & Lumber
We had this comment on the ShopNotes Podcast YouTube channel: "Speaking of hardwood supplies, I have a huge maple tree (I think it's a maple) that I might need to take down soon as it's wrecking my fence as it grows. It's killing me that I may not be able to salvage any wood from it. Its trunk is probably 3 feet in diameter. I'll have to spend thousands to take it down. I can't mill it myself and even if I could I don't have room to store that much wood anyway. I'd love to find a place that would come get the logs, mill it up, and take most of it for payment while I get to keep maybe 20%. Is that even a thing? Or any other suggestions?"
That sparked a good long conversation about how trees get used, valued, and the tasks involved.
Kreg's New Edge
Kreg Tool, based just up the road from Woodsmith, launched their latest cordless tool this week: The Edge. It's a loose tenon joiner.
Logan and I had the chance to use one a few months ago. It was a delight to see the process that goes into making a tool. The testing, planning, and design work. I can say that the Edge worked great and I'm excited for the tools to ship later this fall.
Transcript
Phil Huber (00:00:49) It's the ShopNotes podcast. Welcome to episode number 273. I'm ⁓ your ⁓ host, Phil, joined by Logan and John today. ⁓ And on today's episode, we're going to get a travel log from ⁓ Logan on his weekends activity, some upcoming events that we have going on here, updates about ShopNotes, Woodsmith, Popular Woodworking, all the titles, ⁓ tours, ⁓ TV show and more. We'll also get to our ⁓ listener comments and questions. If you have those, we'd love to hear from them. ⁓ You can send those as an email, woodsmith at woodsmith.com or ⁓ subscribe ⁓ and put them in on the comment section on the Shop Notes podcast ⁓ YouTube channel. Once again, I thank you for listening and for subscribing to
⁓ Woodsmith Unlimited or Popwood Plus, which helps us pay the bills here. Speaking of paying the bills, we'll get started with a sponsor message.
Phil Huber (00:02:05) There you go. All right, let's kick things off with ⁓ some listener comments from last week's episode.
We were talking about some ⁓ lumber choices ⁓ and selections ⁓ for finding lumber and got a couple of comments, handful of comments about that. ⁓ Tree of Life Woodworking says, I've been going to Spellman's Hardwoods in Phoenix for my lumber needs for about seven years. ⁓ I get to pick every single board and every sheet of plywood, even though they are a giant lumber center and I'm just a tiny fish in a big pond for how little I buy.
Even still, the staff is incredibly kind and never makes me feel like I'm wasting their time. I refuse to go anywhere where I cannot hand pick every piece.
Phil Huber (00:02:55) That's fair if you find that. Rock on, continue to go there.
John Doyle (00:03:01) I wonder if this is a place that all the wood is surfaced. Cause like we go to Liberty, if we went to Liberty hardwoods, the wood isn't surface. So you really couldn't look at it other than length and width and thickness and general integrity of the wood. You're not going to get much visual on it.
Logan (00:03:14) Yeah.
Phil Huber (00:03:28) I'd like to find out how many other people out there ⁓ are dealing with ⁓ lumber suppliers ⁓ where you just order it like what we are. And ⁓ granted, like there are other places in town where we could go, ⁓ but in terms of pricing, ⁓ volume, ⁓ and they'd be able to get the materials delivered to us, ⁓ Liberty ⁓ does the job and does it pretty well. I mean, I didn't.
Logan (00:03:39) Yeah.
Phil Huber (00:03:58) I mean, we work around that, but I don't know that I would necessarily say that we've, like, we get a fair deal and the material is usually pretty good, right?
John Doyle (00:04:09) Yeah, there's been like very few times where it's like call them and like, we can't work with this, you know, send us something else type of thing. So usually it's totally, it's good stuff.
Phil Huber (00:04:16) Yeah. Yeah.
Logan (00:04:18) Yeah.
And yeah, and I like the pricing, I think is just fine. Like I tend to set my pricing based on their pricing. If that makes sense, like I, if they're selling walnut at, you know, $12 a board foot, I try to be $8 board foot. Um, but like, I don't feel like I've ever bought lumber there. And I'm like, boy, I feel like they should have taken me to dinner first. You know what I mean? Like,
John Doyle (00:04:49) You ⁓
Logan (00:04:51) It always seems reasonable to me. ⁓ I mean, don't get me wrong, like quality lumber is expensive, right? But like, I don't know, like this mahogany was five something ⁓ a board foot and it was pretty nice. ⁓
John Doyle (00:05:08) Yeah. ⁓ You know what has got out of hand apparently is two by material of Western Red Cedar. ⁓ I was getting that for ⁓ the garden arbor we just did and it was like, I got a three foot ⁓ two by 12 board that was like 50 bucks. I was like, ⁓ usually you got to pick through to get anything decent. So
Logan (00:05:08) as nice as mahogany can be, but...
Logan (00:05:18) ⁓ Yeah ⁓
Logan (00:05:31) And I'm telling you, that, yeah, I'm telling you that's like, makes it much more appealing for me to drive to Oregon and haul a load of logs back, you know? Like I, yeah, but then it would be central Red Cedar. So.
John Doyle (00:05:42) Yeah. Start growing them. ⁓
Yeah, that's true. That's true.
Phil Huber (00:05:54) That's the question that I have then is, can you still call it Western Red Cedar if you're growing it on this side of the Rocky Mountains?
John Doyle (00:06:03) I mean, it's west of something. So. ⁓
Phil Huber (00:06:05) Right. Right.
Logan (00:06:06) That's true.
Phil Huber (00:06:12) Hmm. ⁓ It's like farmed salmon, which I think, you know, farmed salmon in the Pacific Northwest, a lot of it was Atlantic salmon, but in the Pacific.
Logan (00:06:22) Mm-hmm.
Phil Huber (00:06:29) I don't know. ⁓ All right, almost perfection says, found a chunk of trunk guy down here in Casey that I can get almost all my wood from harvests mills and dries all of his lumber. He does order in some exotic exotics and will buy logs from other parts of the country as well. Sometimes he has a low inventory when he gets busy with commission work, but being a hobbyist hobbyist, I can be patient, which is cool, which is something I mean, granted it's a little self dealing in the fact that
Logan here ⁓ is ⁓ the founder of Chunkatrunks.
John Doyle (00:07:04) Yeah, I didn't realize you were franchising. So that's cool. Spreading out. Yeah. ⁓
Phil Huber (00:07:06) Hahaha ⁓
Logan (00:07:06) I didn't know I was franchising.
Phil Huber (00:07:14) I think it's more of a multi-level marketing ⁓ is not really franchising.
John Doyle (00:07:17) Yes. ⁓ Yep. Wide at the base, pointy at the top. Yep. ⁓
Logan (00:07:19) Yeah, I think they call those pyramid schemes. ⁓ Yep.
Phil Huber (00:07:22) Yeah. ⁓
⁓ Alphita158 ⁓ says, does anyone else remember Magilla Gorilla? Because I always think of him when Phil mentions Gorilla Woodfilla.
Phil Huber (00:07:37) And I do, that was one of the large family of Hanna-Barbera cartoons that we were talking about that just the other day here in the studio.
All right, as always, we love hearing your comments. So if you want to send those to us and subscribe to the YouTube version of the Shop Notes podcast, it's on its own dedicated channel separate from the Woodsmith and popular woodworking one shop notes podcast is the handle over there. Be sure to check it out. Like subscribe all the things. Also, I'd love it if you could
If you feel it's warranted, give us a review on your podcast provider if you're listening to the audio version of this. So, all right. Last weekend, Logan, you were at the Plain Wellness event, Hand Tool Haven out in Pennsylvania. I'm going to give us a rundown on the experience there.
Logan (00:54.599) Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Logan (01:03.291) Yeah. yeah. So, the plane wellness event handle Haven was Friday and Saturday or, sorry, Saturday and Sunday last week. So I flew in, kind of help set up on Friday. And then, the event was Saturday and Sunday. great to see everybody. had, bunch of, a bunch of listeners there, a bunch of contributing writers, lots of people through the door. so think of it kind of like,
miniature version of woodworking in America, but more like vendor based than demonstrations. There were demonstrations all day, both days. But a of, a lot of tool vendors, a lot of used tool vendors, a lot of vintage tool guys. Off top of my head, some of the people that were there, Lee Valley was there. Obviously popular woodworking, fine woodworking and woodsmith was there. We had
Hillview Tool Works, Tony and cousin Paul were there. We had Jeff Lefkowitz, Shay Alexander with Alexander Brothers was there. They had a bunch of share kits and stuff like that. Hyperkitten Tools was there. Gordon Addison, who I bought some of these sweet little profile templates from. So these are templates for a
five, four, three, and two hand plane totes and the knobs. I bought both the knob and the tote profiles. so Gordon is he pretty cool guy. him and his wife were there. I believe his wife's name was Lisa. think that's right. he's like the Rosewood guy. like any Rosewood repair, he's your guy. so that was pretty cool. next to him was sterling tool works.
And then next to Sterling was the Plumier foundation, the ornamental turning foundation school. That's not completely accurate as I learned. That's only one portion of what they teach there, but they have several ornamental lathe. He had a Rose engine lathe there running all weekend, which was phenomenal to watch. People were just.
Logan (03:25.223) entranced by it, which was pretty awesome. The, uh, did not help my desire to build one. So now I'm kind of working through stuff in my head, uh, going down a little bit further on the roads. I'm just kind of walking around this, this show in my head. Um, we had Matt Cottrell, uh, and Bearcat leatherworking down there. Um, Matt is the one that sells punches or they they're in here. don't know if I can get them out with unplugging anything. Um, Matt does.
these punches, check these out. These are pretty sweet set of texturing punches. So they are for texturing background and carving. He also has really nice hard and soft wax, which are on my saw tilt behind me. Then we had Don from the Woodland Smith shop, at the the Barnett White.
John Doyle (04:20.557) you
Logan (04:24.231) Run. Is that right? Don Williams. Yep. Thank you. Yep. Don Williams was down there as well as carbon method was there. Um, continue to walk around. had, who did we have next to them?
Phil Huber (04:27.838) Don Williamson, Or Don Williams, yeah.
Logan (04:49.051) Michael Jinx selling some hand tools. had, cornets, cornets hand tools. he makes, he takes tiny little, like thumb planes, like the Stanley thumb planes, a little like, what are they? One tens. I don't remember what the numbers are, the little ones. And he like turns them into little miniature hand planes. So he like strips them down, puts a tote in a knob on them and stuff. I'm kind of cool. he was down there, as was.
Josh from hyper kitten tools. so big old tool display and vendors set up. there was, missing somebody in here. Nope. No, I'm not. got them. the window castle school. so we had Ken page from window. Castle was there with his wife. and then, Steven from new heritage.
Woodworks. actually bought a plane from him when I was there. Boom. Nice little, little reading plane. So if you, Steven, Slocum there's his stamp. If you're watching on the radio, going to focus along with mine right below it now. and then we had, who did we have? Dave Fisher was there.
Zen Wu had a table. Zen Wu was not able, the guy's name is not Zen Wu, it's Luke. Luke was not able to attend, but Zen Wu did have a table set up with a lot of, a lot of really nice tools on it. And I have several Zen Wu tools. That chisel right there behind me with the grayish handles of Zen Wu. Super nice stuff. He had his new version of his block plane there. So he has a
titanium body block plane, is unbelievably cool. It is amazing. and then there was a few other smaller vendors outside, not smaller vendors, used tool vendors. So I think some of the churners were set up out there. there was a couple of people that just had a, maybe one or two tables of stuff for sale outside. I'm not as big as like Michael Jinx or a hyper kitten or anybody.
Logan (07:16.135) So yeah, was, it was a good time. Um, there were demos all day, Saturday, all day, Sunday, um, Saturday we were, uh, Oh, Vic, Tesla was set up at one of those tables. Um, not to forget Vic. Um, but Saturday started downpouring on us about halfway through the day, like heavy rain. Um, and then we lost power.
John Doyle (07:21.872) you
Logan (07:42.555) for about three hours at the fairgrounds. Perfect. And you're trying to have people sell stuff through, you know, card readers and whatever. And then the poor Dave Lindow at the Plumier Foundation was trying to run this Rose Angela. I don't, I can't show anything. Nothing has power right now. So yeah, it was, but it was a good time. It really good just to see everybody. Lots of our contributing writers, like I said,
Phil Huber (07:52.035) Yeah.
Logan (08:11.387) Brian DeYoung was there doing demos. Shay Alexander was there. Albert Klein was there. James Wright was there. So just a bunch of people walking around, giving money to a good cause. I did make a few. Silent auction bids. The big one was, New Heritage had a little quarter inch OG plane there on the silent auction. And I put my name down the first day.
I'm like, all right, here's the deal. Told myself, I'm like, I am either going to buy that plane through the silent auction. And if I lose that plane, not going to make another bid, I'm going to go buy this reading plane. So clearly I lost the bid. So I, I did a good job of avoiding spending a ton of money. So did not bring home more tools than I needed. Jamie did not succeed in getting me to drive there.
Phil Huber (08:52.654) you
Logan (09:05.648) Although on the way home that probably would have been the faster route after all the storms kind of disrupted everything so
Phil Huber (09:15.916) I know John's interested in this and he's just afraid to ask the question, but with your leather working tools, is there his patented three hole punch?
John Doyle (09:26.096) Boom, Finishing move.
Phil Huber (09:28.952) Yeah. Yep.
Logan (09:32.327) don't think so.
Phil Huber (09:34.542) I was curious.
Logan (09:38.459) But no, it was a good time. we will be, we will once again be sponsoring plain wellness again next year. it's good cause. So I don't mind, shifting some of my editorial budget to, a sponsorship like that. So, yeah.
Phil Huber (09:56.463) Sure. Same location.
Logan (09:59.685) Different location, still in Pennsylvania. One of my, in my opinion, as much as I hate Texas, I like Pennsylvania. So like I.
Phil Huber (10:01.185) okay. All right.
Logan (10:16.359) I have spent a fair bit of time in, I think, Eastern Pennsylvania, the Harrisburg area. This was about an hour outside of Pittsburgh, is more or less where it was, the Butler County Fairgrounds. There is a different fairgrounds location next year that's a little bit larger. I think will accommodate us a little bit better. Jamie announced this weekend that next year Los Art Press will be a sponsor. So
That'll be cool to have them there. so yeah, it will, it will once again be in Pennsylvania is in July next year. However, it is, I believe July 17th. I was just trying to pull up the email he sent me for the, for the sponsorship, but I cannot find it currently.
Phil Huber (11:11.982) All right, good stuff.
Logan (11:13.596) Yeah.
Phil Huber (11:17.166) Speaking of fairgrounds, have ticket sales are open for this year's Woodworking in America event in October, which we'll be hosting again at the Iowa State Fairgrounds here in Des Moines. So you can check that out, see the current lineup of speakers and other folk that are going to be there. So you can check that out at woodworkinginamerica.com.
Love to have everybody out for that one again. We had a great time last year and have a good group of returning presenters, instructors for that event and vendors too.
love to have you there.
Logan (12:04.807) I found it. July 17th and 18th for anybody interested. Washington County Fairgrounds. So just so people can start planning their July weekend next year.
Phil Huber (12:06.328) Okay.
Phil Huber (12:12.494) All right.
Phil Huber (12:21.634) Pack your shorts, t-shirts.
Logan (12:22.884) Mm-hmm.
Yeah, I don't know. So it reminds me, and this is like absolutely nothing against where we were at. Like they were great spots. But I'm like, yeah, I forget that our Iowa state fair is a big thing. And we have a really nice like fairgrounds area.
Like our state, it's our state fair. So it's not, know the Butler County fairgrounds was not the pits or the Pennsylvania state fair. but it's like, yeah, we, we put a lot of money into our state fair. Dang. So.
Phil Huber (13:13.198) Speaking of which, I got an email the other day about, for the Iowa State Fair for folk to start submitting to have their woodwork exhibited at the fair and judged. So as we get up towards fair season, I would encourage people, it's a great way to get other people interested in woodworking is to introduce the topic to people in general. And people can't see woodworking if you don't show it.
So if you got something, whether it's a county fair or state fair, regional, whatever, I say submit it, see what you got. If nothing else, other people will get to see the work that you do and what it takes to do some really cool woodworking.
Phil Huber (14:06.574) All right, John, what's going on in your world?
John Doyle (14:09.624) well, hopefully kind of winding down on pre graduation projects, but I don't know if that's the case. But I'm going to tell myself that for the next couple of days until it really ramps up this weekend. So
Wrapped up the last project for the TV show last week, the Garden Arbor. So it's kind of a bigger project, but it wasn't that bad to build. was actually pretty enjoyable.
Phil Huber (14:36.398) Mm-hmm.
John Doyle (14:45.678) Got that one done and then this week we are shooting the last episode which is our tips extravaganza. So seems like a lot of it is either things we didn't show during the filming of the TV show that were good ideas and some of the stuff that
we wish we would have done differently maybe. Some learning experiences that we maybe would have shown. So I think there's a lot of good info there for people and everyone seems to enjoy the tips episodes. So it films pretty quickly. So then wrapping up season 20.
Phil Huber (15:26.99) Yeah, it's pretty cool.
Phil Huber (15:31.406) can't believe it. Feels like it was a long time ago that we were talking about getting season 20 started and now here it is.
John Doyle (15:32.494) Right.
Logan (15:42.031) And Bailey's still complaining that we're behind.
John Doyle (15:44.738) Yeah.
Phil Huber (15:45.4) You
John Doyle (15:47.3) Yeah, she'll be freaking out until it's all done.
Phil Huber (15:55.149) Yeah, so really excited about that. And that you'll be able to start seeing those episodes later this fall, probably September, October is when they go live on the satellite from Iowa PBS. And then it's up to local stations to decide when to pick it up and start hearing. yeah, getting the plans together for that, putting together the handbook that'll be available around that same time as well.
Phil Huber (16:27.288) So yeah, it is kind of interesting how you're doing an episode and there's so many techniques that you're using. A lot of them are sort of second nature until in between takes we're talking about, you know, this, that, and the other thing. And it's fun to be able to dive into it with the tips episode where we can go a little deeper on a specific topic or call out some things that.
allow you to make a project unique or get a little better results with a tool or something like that. yeah, love it. Mark's cranking away on your library cabinet.
John Doyle (17:08.41) Yeah, yeah. Yeah, last Friday he was out. So I was just trying to glue up as many panels as I could. It kind of be his little sous chef, keep that moving. Cause I know photography is coming up on the project. So, but he's got the case altogether and starting to work on the base. So it's going pretty well. So maybe I'll jump back in and help them a little bit when we get done filming. So see how it ends up.
Phil Huber (17:41.698) All right. And then Logan, you're like this close to gluing up your church doors.
Logan (17:47.367) Yeah, yeah, I picked the panels today. I got distracted by a side quest also for the church today.
Phil Huber (17:55.982) Ha
Logan (17:57.383) I want to clearly write, this is not my church. I am not a Serbian Orthodox parish, parisher part of the Serbian Orthodox parish. This is not my church. But same thing is one of those things where it's like, so, you know, one of the guys that was working on this candle table with is like, Hey, can you stop by and measure a piece of trim for me? I need a piece of a basically a piece of quarter round. I was like, yeah. Okay. So like,
John Doyle (18:04.624) conditioner.
Logan (18:24.707) After I left the office picking up the panels, I pre-stained because I am trying to be better. I'm trying to be a better woodworker and pre-stained panels and doing stuff in the correct order. I sung by the church and had to measure some of this stuff and trying to like figure out exactly like, LJ's dad, speaks pretty good English, but doesn't know the proper words for certain things. Like obviously English is not his first language. He's in his.
you know, probably seventies, but, so we're trying, I'm trying to figure out exactly what they're trying to do. And like, have a panel that needs to be mounted behind the whatever. So yes, I am this close. am probably an hour from gluing up these church doors. So then we're on the countdown. I'm like nine days to install 10 days to install. So. Ordered the hard work today though. That was kind of the big thing is I was like, God, I remember last time.
I ordered these hard, this hardware, took weeks to get in. thankfully I could get most of the same stuff from Amazon, with a, you know, faster shipping, slightly higher price, but not like, you know, just a couple bucks here or there. and it would all get here tomorrow or Monday. So it's like, okay, that's not bad. So the, biggest things being the,
Phil Huber (19:28.75) Right.
Logan (19:53.467) because these are French stores, the stationary door, which would be left-hand or as you are looking at the doors from the outside. it has those, how do they call them? Like fixed pins that flip out, throw pins. I think is what they call them, throw pins on the top and bottom. And I last time I did these doors. I don't know why I was like, this is a really good idea to wait until everything is stained and finished.
before I route those in way better idea to do it beforehand. So.
Logan (20:31.953) Yeah. So we're close. Then I'm going to actually knock through a handful of little projects. think I might take a break. This issue from Popwood, on putting one of my own projects in there. the, next would be my outfeed table and I do want to get that finished up, but, I think I'm to take a little break and maybe just knock through a bunch of like little small projects. Cause those are kind of what I'm lacking right now. So
Our new designer, John, he has just been like burning the rubber off his wheels, putting projects together. Um, and I told him, I was like, dude, this is so nice. Like all these projects are shot copies there and now he has them all laid out. So it's like, I just have to start dragging and dropping stuff where it needs to go. Um, but what it does is it kind of gives me perspective on how everything is laid out right now. It's like, Oh, I'm missing some projects that are like, I want like a few six page projects. Like I want.
a couple of small projects, which I write exactly how I speak, which is very long and drawn out and it should not, it does not need to be that long. So sometimes I got to remind myself like, we can probably clip that project a little bit and just shorten it up short and sweet. So yeah, we're going to do maybe a couple of boxes. or a few things I wanted to do. So I gotta revisit my list and see what they are.
Phil Huber (21:59.084) Okay, cool. Yeah, here Dylan's working on a chair with bent lamination legs, which is it'd be pretty cool to see that come together. Walnut from Logan from Chunk A' Trunk.
Logan (22:09.381) Yup. Chunk trunk. The original, not any of those franchisees that are selling knockoff stuff.
John Doyle (22:13.392) the
Phil Huber (22:20.589) chunk of trunk where it just ends in a C.
Logan (22:22.887) Yeah. Yup. Um, that was nice walnut too, man. Like, and I knew it. Like I, Dylan asked me, I was in the office. He's like, Hey, yeah, walnut. Like bro, I'm walnut rich. What do you mean? Do I got a walnut? Like question is how good a walnut do you want? Because that might be the problem. Um, he's like, well, it needs to be bent lamination. And he was looking for, I don't remember what he was looking for exactly. I think he was looking for.
John Doyle (22:36.56) you
Logan (22:55.239) quarter or he wanted rift sawn or flat sawn. and I'm like, well, I got a really nice piece of like, it was like 12 foot long and two and a half inches thick. was huge. Like, don't know why I cut it this big, but I did. but it was the center slice out of the tree. at the pith down the center, perfectly course on left and right, super clean. I had sold a bunch of this. this is one of the few logs where it's like, I actually sold like the entire log. I didn't use any of
which is not common for me. Usually I, I use a couple of pieces out of stuff, but yeah, it's very nice. I'm excited to see what those bent lamination looks like. Cause I saw the frame today when I was in there. I'm like, dang, that's some nice Walnut. Like kind of make sure I'm charging woodsmith correctly for that high quality material. Yeah.
Phil Huber (23:42.946) Yeah, it's some, it's some, it's dark chocolate is what that is. That's definitely 70 % chocolate, 70 % cocoa in that one. Yeah. I'm working on my desk project sitting here behind me. Got dados cut for shelves in that last week and getting ready to do the hardware for the fall front.
on it. So I'm kind of excited about getting that put together. Trying to figure out what I need to do for the bottom because it's glued up panels for the sides. And I want some kind of a cutout on the bottom but I'm trying to avoid just like the standard shaker half circle kind of look to it. And I definitely don't want to do
Phil Huber (24:39.381) I don't know, like just ankle bootjack kind of look to it either. So something that is
Logan (24:45.511) You mean like a decorative cutout is what you want? Like a...
Phil Huber (24:48.671) Yeah, I mean, it's going to have to have some kind of shape to it, but I don't want it to read bad country or shaker. Not that they're the same, but just trying to.
Logan (24:57.509) Hmm see no
I think like at that point, like I lean into the material like what is that white pine? What does white pine cone look like?
You know what mean? Like or I don't know. Trying to stay away from country, I guess.
I mean, that had a lot of bullets in it. So maybe like a Glock 19 cut out, something like that.
Phil Huber (25:30.667) Right, yeah, definitely could do that. So I was looking at like a for down by on the bottom for the feet.
to do some kind of like a flattened out kind of gothic arch, I think would have a nice look to it. So it's not just a radius ends with a straight cut in between it, something a little bit more of a.
something with a little bit more visual interest. But yeah, up top, I do want to do some kind of a cutout, maybe reminiscent of the one shelf that we did in Woodsmith and on the TV show that had kind of a...
I don't know, sheaf of wheat or tree kind of shape to it. I like that look to it. So we'll see, but we're getting there, coming close. One of the things on the fall front, the writing surface, I want to, I have the panel glued up and I want to put breadboard ends on it. And yesterday we were filming here with Kreg Tool and got to use their new edge.
loose tenon machine cordless loose tenon thing. John, you got to work with that a little bit. What did you think?
John Doyle (26:53.102) Yeah, I thought it was actually pretty nice. So that's the first time I got to handle it. So without any instruction. So it was pretty self-explanatory as other than maybe some fine tuning that, you know, adjustment knobs that I didn't want to really mess with at the time, but yeah, it's cordless. So it's great and works with their loose tinnens that they already had with the, what is the other?
the drill power mortise mate yeah they're loose those loose tenons so you know it's great and it's a pretty decent price sounds like once once they get it out there on the market I think this fall so I think I think it'll do pretty well for them
Phil Huber (27:23.503) the mortise mate. Yep.
Phil Huber (27:42.764) Yeah, Logan and I got to use one a couple months ago. We had a meeting with the folk at Kreg and they were showing off some of their tools coming out and that was definitely high on their list to see. it's actually something Logan and I have been poking them about for a while. And so apparently they were following along.
Logan (28:08.037) I've gotten into a few Facebook arguments with people already about it. It's been great. yeah. yeah. It's been awesome. The fake. Well, like the Facebook groups have been kind of like, so Kreg, so we are recording this on Wednesday. Kreg announced it yesterday, which would be Tuesday at noon. Okay. They announced it at the woodcraft show. looked like, and I only know that because, our friends were of the show, Matt.
Phil Huber (28:11.563) Heavy really? Okay. So speaking of poking people.
Logan (28:37.543) Corona and, um, Mark Spagnolo were down there. Uh, and I saw Mark messing around with it a little bit. And so a couple of the Facebook groups were like, Oh, you know, Kreg, like who knows what it's like? And I'm like, Oh, you know, having used it, like it's actually pretty good. Like for, especially for the price. And then I just had people berating me like, how could you have used it when it doesn't release till mid summer? I'm like, well, like benefit of not being you, sir.
is I get to use these tools. And it's like, like, I don't know. I just, I think people have to remember a lot of what I have heard is like, well, I'm more interested if they come out with a corded version, which I keep hearing that.
John Doyle (29:07.6) Yeah.
Logan (29:28.163) And I get it because people don't want another battery system. Like right now the edge is just planned to be a battery powered tool. will, will Kreg change their mind? Maybe, I don't know. but, a lot of people are, are kind of having an issue with that. It's cordless only because then you have to get batteries and stuff. And like, yeah, I get it. as somebody who has OCD and I like to have all my stuff match.
Yeah, like I do, get it. but with that said, like I've been using all the Kreg cordless power tool stuff and I don't have any issue with any of it.
John Doyle (30:07.566) Right. Yeah, it was one thing if that's they were just coming out with this and didn't have any other tools, but like they have a full suite of, you know, everything you can imagine now. So and we've gotten it all. And like you said, it's all works great. So I know it's hard change it like once you're kind of embedded into one battery system, it's always hard to switch. But, you know.
It'll happen. Just let it happen.
Logan (30:41.415) I mean, it's kind of been my thoughts. It's like, Oh, okay. Well, all of a sudden my Milwaukee stuff becomes like the garage stuff where it's like, you know, like instead of walking back out of the shop to get the Milwaukee drill, leave all the Kreg stuff in here. Like, especially if I'm using, you know, the, uh, the rebel pocket hole jig or the, you know, the, the, um, edge.
John Doyle (30:57.508) Yeah.
Logan (31:09.979) that the idea being, I don't know if we talked about this or not, but like the idea behind the Kreg cordless tools are that they're trying to design these for woodworkers. Like when you start looking at some of those other systems like Milwaukee or Makita or Dewalt or Ryobi, like they're designed for a specific person in mind.
They're designed for a tradesman. They're decided for a plumber. They're designed for a HVAC guy. They're not, or they're, you know, let's go to the far extreme. Right. It's designed for the homeowner. Right. So nobody really makes tools focused on somebody that's in their shop building projects. And that's kind of where Kreg's trying to fit in. So I appreciate it. I get it.
Phil Huber (32:03.947) And it's a tough dance to step to because you're constantly getting pushed in one direction or another. Like it's too expensive because I can just go to X discount store and buy a drill for $16 or you don't have enough features on it. Like this insert premium brand, you know, it's like, well, it's not trying to do that.
Logan (32:13.415) Mm-hmm.
Phil Huber (32:33.335) You know?
Phil Huber (32:39.181) trying to play in the middle.
So anyway, it'll be exciting. It feels like there's a lot of buzz around it. It'd be interesting to see how it does. I can't wait to get one. I was telling the Kreg folk that I know where my Christmas money goes this year, so.
Logan (32:58.183) You
Phil Huber (33:00.621) But yeah, there you have it. All right. Love to know what you think if you've seen any of the launch stuff on that, on the Kreg tool, the Edge, their loose tenant system, or your thoughts. I mean, that goes all back to the questions that we've asked before. Like, where do you draw the line on corded tools versus cordless tools?
Phil Huber (33:30.113) I get it. think that wraps up another episode of the Shop Notes Podcast. If you have any questions, comments, or smart remarks, send them to us, woodsmith at woodsmith.com or leave them in the comments section on the Shop Notes Podcast YouTube channel. The ShopNotes Podcast is a production of Active Interest Media edited by Nate Gruca. The executive digital editor is Ben Strano. Comes out once a week.
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