We've been doing the podcast for six years now. The most challenging part is coming up with a time to record it that suits our schedules. The best part is having a cast of regular listeners who comment, ask questions, and offer smart remarks.
This episode falls out of a round of questions, comments, and smart remarks based on previous episodes. Like a conversation in a diner with a group of friends and hot coffee.
I'll have some pie, too.
If you watch this one on YouTube, you can see the Logan's headphones crap out and him scrambling to get back into the game.
Good times.
Ain't we lucky we got 'em?
Transcript
I guess you had to be there.
Phil Huber (00:04.518) Hey everybody, it's the ShopNotes Podcast episode number 264. John, Phil, Logan, all of us here together talking about woodworking and giving you the updates from Woodsmith and Popular Woodworking Magazine. We'll kick things off here with some comments from last episode. Harold McDonald says, ha, I actually do look like Harold from the Red Green Show. And you're not the first one to say so.
Now that we're friends, Phil, I can tell you that in our house, you are known as Philbert. It all started when I was watching the woodsmith shop and my wife proclaimed that I looked like the woodworking Dilbert. This has since evolved to Philbert and my wife will only watch when you're presenting. When someone else is talking, she leaves the room and shouts, tell me when Philbert is back.
There you go.
Logan Wittmer (00:57.546) RUDE!
Phil Huber (01:07.864) Josie Scoto says, I got a question for you guys. I'm potentially interested in getting a lathe and learning to turn. I've got two young kids and quick projects sound appealing. How's the learning curve? Obviously I have to purchase a whole new set of tools, which Logan probably doesn't see an issue with, but how many new tools do I need before I can get up and running?
Logan Wittmer (01:34.022) All right, as the resident Turner, you are what we call lathe curious. You can get away, started turning, lathe, I'm not gonna say chucks necessary, but chuck, lathe, chuck, and then a set of five basic tools, spindle roughing out, spindle gouge, parting tool, skew chisel, maybe a scraper or a bowl gouge, and a grinder to sharpen.
Phil Huber (01:36.237) Yes.
you
Logan Wittmer (02:04.142) So if you need a doctor's note for more tools, I will provide it.
Phil Huber (02:09.806) You
Phil Huber (02:14.958) Because I feel like, mean, yeah, not super crazy. And then it's like, use those, figure them out, and then go do something from there.
Logan Wittmer (02:15.085) So not super crazy.
Logan Wittmer (02:27.171) Yes.
Phil Huber (02:28.384) Okay. All right.
Logan Wittmer (02:31.507) And as far as like learning, best thing I'd tell you is find a local turning club and get a couple of hands-on classes. That is the best and safest way to learn on a lathe.
Phil Huber (02:50.946) Yeah. You know, like sometimes if he's got a woodworking store nearby, they'll do like a demo day or something. Sometimes they have that, that can be a good help.
Logan Wittmer (02:57.197) Mm-hmm.
Phil Huber (03:01.998) All right.
Phil Huber (03:05.673) All right, Craig Vaughn says, always enjoy the show, guys. In reference to furniture design, I'm curious if there is a scale or rule of thumb that is used for smaller projects. I build mostly larger furniture pieces, but when it comes to smaller ones like keepsake or jewelry boxes, it seems I overbuild them and make them too large, both in material parts and size. Any advice is greatly appreciated. Thank you.
Phil Huber (03:39.946) I would have to say that once you start getting into boxes...
Phil Huber (03:46.511) I prefer not to like half inch thick is probably the largest I'll do. And even then that would be on a box that needs to show some beefiness. And that's maybe like the outside part of it. And then like interior stuff goes way down. You know, little dividers.
Logan Wittmer (04:03.981) Mm-hmm.
Phil Huber (04:14.432) inside of a jewelry box tray are eighth inch tops. know, like smaller trays within a jewelry box are like quarter or five sixteenth inch thick material.
Logan Wittmer (04:25.311) Mm-hmm. Yep, 3 1⁄8 of an inch is pretty good size, I think.
So happy medium.
John Doyle (04:35.689) Yeah, because even like building like good sized kitchen drawers, like three quarter inch material would be chunky, like half inch is about right. So yeah, you get down to smaller boxes and it scales way down.
Phil Huber (04:44.568) Right.
John Doyle (04:52.661) So, which is.
Phil Huber (04:53.762) Yeah, that would be my thing. You know, in terms of like proportions or sizing, I don't know that, you know, that all kind of depends on what the box is for. I think it's really easy on boxes. You know, say if it's a box that's sitting on a tabletop, it's really easy for those guys to get really tall.
I try and, unless it's going to have multiple layers or drawers in it, I don't think you're going to go anything taller than probably two, two and a half inches.
Logan Wittmer (05:29.515) Yeah. Yep.
Yeah, I literally just brought, so we have a trinket box in this next issue of Popular Woodworking from Doug Stowe. It's been sitting on my desk behind Phil for a while. It was just sitting on my desk a couple days ago while I was finishing the photography and just model on it. That's 3 1⁄8 of an inch. It's five inches tall is the box case, but then it has legs on it to lift it up a little bit. And what it is, for what it is, it's a little tall, but I know why it's like that.
Phil Huber (05:55.202) Hmm. Yeah.
Logan Wittmer (06:01.856) because of the legs. And it was supposed to be a whimsical style. think you're right. think for most things, most boxes, smaller scale stuff like that, like you're talking three inches, four inches. Four inches, I think is probably maximum you want to go. I don't remember the last box I did that I personally did was several years ago. And that was a cigar humidor. And that was, I think, five inches tall. And it's a big box.
like five inches is pretty deep.
Phil Huber (06:34.104) Yeah. But you even had like there's layers to that one though too, right?
Logan Wittmer (06:39.315) yeah, yeah, there's like, there's, it's, there is a tray in there. There is dividers in there, slide back and forth. Like there's a bunch of stuff in there and it's all quarter inch. It's, Spanish cedar. So kind of, I want to say it's super expensive, but it's a, it's a pricier material than my chunk trunk lumber usually is. so like you're, you're being pretty judicious with your, use of it, but
Yeah, I mean, it's broken up. What you don't want to do, and if there was one critique I would make of most boxes, is that they end up just being a big hole of drop stuff in there. You need some way to divide that up and break up and make the space meaningful.
John Doyle (07:32.815) Yeah. Yeah, I just did that display box design. It's about eight and a half by 11. So like a size of printer paper and then like four inches tall has a drawer and it has a upper case in it. But with the smaller projects, it's nice. You could take cardboard and make a little prototype to get a physical scale stuff. So.
Logan Wittmer (07:53.982) Yep, for sure.
Phil Huber (07:59.053) Yeah, I mean, that's a good point is, you know, even using just like cut up Amazon boxes because, you know, that corrugated cardboard is almost close to like drawer or box thickness material, or you just glue two pieces together and now you're seeing like, is that the right good thickness and, you know, dividers on the inside of that and trays and yeah.
Logan Wittmer (08:23.946) Yeah, I have, I actually have, I do have one sitting here as I'm trying to fish it around my lunch that I'm trying to keep from the cat that he's trying to steal. That's why I'm like randomly sneaking bites. This was our, this box was the magic disappearing box from Lupe that I did a couple of years ago with her. Currently full of Menards rebates and gift certificates or is it?
Phil Huber (08:53.707) Logan Wittmer (08:54.445) I know, you see that? But this is made out of, think, like a 3 1⁄8 inch material. Pretty much all the way around, except the false front, which is now a little loose since it's winter. That is quarter inch material. you know, a nice size. This one's a little bit different, since it is that, you magic disappearing box. You have several layers to this.
John Doyle (08:55.358) Magic.
Logan Wittmer (09:22.718) But yeah, as soon as the project size scales down, part thickness needs to scale down.
Phil Huber (09:28.387) Yeah, which is, I can see as frustrating, especially for relatively new woodworkers, because where are you getting that material from? Which is why a lot of times you'll see...
Phil Huber (09:45.743) I don't know. Let's call it entry level boxes are using like half inch material or even three quarter inch material because that's what's commonly available. And also at the prices that you're paying for lumber, it also, it feels weird to take a three quarter inch board and grind it down to three eighths or half inch or quarter inch or whatever. But
John Doyle (10:05.407) Yeah, that's where I like to like start resawing material. can bookend match or, you know, match grain, you know, with panels and different things. It's kind of save on all the sawdust there.
Logan Wittmer (10:05.417) Mm-hmm.
Phil Huber (10:16.164) Yeah.
Phil Huber (10:21.357) Right, so that if you can, yeah, even for boxes, even a relatively small bandsaw can do a good job resawing those kind of smaller pieces.
Phil Huber (10:39.853) The best part here is watching Logan because it seems like he's having some kind of audio difficulty and he's making great, great faces, which is a reminder that if you want, can watch the podcasts over on the shop notes podcast, YouTube channel, like and subscribe there. That's a great way to get in touch with a lot of our comments and listeners here too. So.
John Doyle (11:03.423) Yeah, sometimes you can just watch my face and I don't even have to say anything and you just know the wheels are grinding. You know, I'm thinking of thinking of something. So.
Phil Huber (11:08.077) Yep. Yep. Yeah. And you know exactly what Logan is thinking about right now because he's got the frustrated computer face going on right now. We'll keep going with comments here.
Phil Huber (11:27.023) Phil Huber (11:30.403) I kind of want to wait for Logan to come back on this one. We had a fun exchange on there. Harold McDonald replied to IJWTBotDad who said, are you a bot? And he replied with, nope, my name on here is an acronym. Did you once have a farm? It's classic. And it turns out that Harold McDonald does have a farm.
1100 acres of soybeans with some spring wheat and edible beans. No livestock so he doesn't match the song perfectly, unfortunately. He is old though. There you go.
Phil Huber (12:14.509) And then got two more. We'll wait for Logan to come back on that one. While we do that, John, what's been going on with you?
John Doyle (12:24.585) Yes. Well, I did successfully, you know, meet up with future self and got my display box done. Like I said, I was going to got those drawings on. So, you know, we were talking about just talking about boxes I got.
Phil Huber (12:39.64) Right?
John Doyle (12:45.481) I ordered the quadrant hinges that we talked about and I got those in and they seemed way smaller than how I was picturing them. So then I turned around and ordered the larger ones, which like are only a sixteenth inch bigger. So I got all those in and we'll see how they kind of all work out, I guess, with the materials that I plan for the box. So it's all drawn up, but we have yet to build it. So.
that'll be kind of still work in progress I guess. So, and then we've been continuing on with the TV show. you got, Phil got his beam compass done. Logan is wrapping up his shooting board for that episode. And I guess looking ahead to the next episodes.
Phil Huber (13:38.477) Yeah, which the shooting board was a game time decision on that we were going to do turning saw or bow saw. But then you you switched.
Logan Wittmer (13:52.829) Yeah. Well, so it was one of those things like, what am I actually going to use in my shop? What's going to look pretty hanging on the wall.
Phil Huber (13:58.704) Ha ha ha ha.
Logan Wittmer (14:03.35) So plus the, the BOSA it was like, there's lots of sculpting parts. There's a lot of real woodworking that has to happen there. So.
Phil Huber (14:16.569) Well, the shooting board plan that you selected is actually a really cool one that Chris designed for Shop Notes. It's got a nice look to it. There's just the right level of Chris Fitch, mechanical, Rube Goldberg-y-ness in it, but yet it's a really straightforward tool.
Logan Wittmer (14:42.579) Yeah, it's, it's, it's what I like about it. And I opened up this, this TV segment talking about this. Like I have built, I built one years ago, right? Based on a Rob Cosman design, where you purposefully build a little bit of a bow into it to allow the plane's wider cheek to fully contact versus the hoe and the, the toe and heel where it's a little tippier. It worked great. it works really nicely, but
I don't like you have to, you have to hold, you have to physically force the plane up against the edge of the guide because there's nothing locking the plane in. Like you could potentially push your plane away from it and then out of square. Um, so the one that Chris designed and the one that, that I'm building is a shooting board that has a track that's, um, HDPE plastic. So it's a kind of a slippery.
plastic locks the plane in so it can't move the only way it can move is forward and backwards kind of like a loose track and then there's a fence on it that pivots off of a central pivot point that's just a big steel rod so you can not only have it set at 90 degrees you can actually flip it to 45 degrees or you know potentially a bunch of adjustment in between those two so it's more of a multi-function shooting board
And I like he has a couple of steel blocks in there that have threaded knobs in there that you can turn and kind of fine tune the angle. It's just a really nice design. It is, in my opinion, one of the better thought out designs of shop made shooting boards. You know, you could, you could buy a Stanley shooting board, a vintage one. Um, I think Lee Valley makes a modern one. Like you can buy some, um, but you know, we all like to build our own stuff. So it's pretty cool.
Phil Huber (16:37.763) Yeah. Right. All right. Two more questions here. One related to that was Puppy Dog Bob says, for some reason, honeysuckle is screaming to me for Logan's dilemma for some shop tools.
which, honeysuckle would be nice, but the stuff that I had split and cracked really easily.
Logan Wittmer (17:02.738) Yeah, I had rough turned down some stuff and then sealed the ends with wax and it still split. With that said, I have also turned a few like little spindle things and they've stayed together. So it is hard as a fricking rock though.
Phil Huber (17:10.788) Yeah.
Phil Huber (17:17.815) Yeah. yeah, because I did the Cousins Christmas Craft project with honeysuckle shrink pots that I did. I kept one. I made an extra and kept it for myself. But even that bad boy you can see on there had developed a split, which was I mean, it's fine just because of the nature of it. Not using it for like a Viking drinking vessel or something like that. But
If it's something you're trying to avoid, just be aware.
Logan Wittmer (17:52.434) Yeah, no, it is. It is a really, I think we made this show before. It's like the North American boxwood. It's super white, super hard, works really nicely. It just is, you know, you can't usually find, you know, the, the, the rumored local Iowa yellow banks, honeysuckle is the only species that grows that big. think.
Phil Huber (18:16.921) Yeah, yeah. It's the giant Sequoia of Honeysuckle. I'm working on a little project here. I'm going to show it for all of our radio listeners. It's a little game board that I got from my aunt. asked me if I could repair it. And it's kind of like a little pinball game that is a tabletop, roll the pin, shoot it around. There's supposed to be a bunch of nails in here to a little bit like pinball, a little bit like skee-ball.
Logan Wittmer (18:20.659) That's true.
Phil Huber (18:46.745) kind of John found, did some research on it and found that it is actually a legit like German, Austrian tabletop game, which tracks the upper curved part had split and broken out. So I had to make a new one, which I cut some oak for it and thought, you know, it's not quite an eighth of an inch thick. And I thought I'd be able to just bend that around, but it started to make uncomfortable noises.
So I soaked it in water for several days and then clamped it while it was wet around the game board, put some tape on there just to protect the surface from the moisture and let it dry like that for a few days and then got it attached earlier today and I think it works really well. The only problem is is that my aunt swears that she sent along the bag of nails.
that makes the pins in the pinball game with my dad. My dad does not remember getting that from her, nor do I remember when my dad dropped off the game for the repair, having a small baggie of nails. And she said, this just happened before we started airing, she said that they were round head nails. So I don't know if that just means like it's a headed nail or if it's like a ball headed nail.
ball-headed nail seems unlikely to me.
Logan Wittmer (20:15.024) Hmm. Those are called no studs, I think.
Phil Huber (20:21.475) Ha ha ha!
Yeah, I was thinking either that or it's the spikes that were used to make the steel inquisitors in Mistborn. So, yeah.
Logan Wittmer (20:33.858) Hmm. Yeah, could be. Huh. Yeah. It's funny when you said that that eighth inch was not betting. Colin and I were doing that when we were doing, uh, guess probably a year ago, a little over a year ago, we were doing a, bent lamination headphone stand and we did, oh, or a walnut air dried walnut, air dried. Like this is just, you know, chunk of trunk, air dried stock. And we sawed it down to like, we sawed it to an eighth of an inch, but then
We played it down thinner. Like we didn't get to 16th, but we weren't much thicker. Um, and we were trying to bend that at like a 90 degree bend over like, I don't know, like, you know, yay, big radius, like nothing super crazy. Absolutely no fricking way. Like you're like, this is so within, I feel like, you know, I rip off a piece of
two by four doing a house project, can bend that thing into an infinity symbol. But as soon as it's a piece of hardwood, it's like, noop. So we ended up steaming. mean, soaking, I'm sure works just as well.
Phil Huber (21:44.688) Yeah. I didn't have a, I don't have a steaming setup, but what I did have was one of those black totes that I filled up with snow and had a warm day and melted it in there and then had that soak. So it worked out, worked out pretty well. I just got to figure out the nail situation, do a little bit of like refinish on there. Probably just clean up the accumulated gunk and grime on it.
Send it on back.
John Doyle (22:18.891) Yeah, we went down a whole rabbit hole on those games and with the design group. And maybe we'll see something in the pages of Woodsmith. whether it's something very simple like that or gets chrisfitchified and gets springs and flippers and all kinds of stuff, but it's kind of cool.
Phil Huber (22:28.643) Yeah, because it was.
Phil Huber (22:39.981) Yeah, I'll put a link to the Wikipedia article that we found on it and then has some other links for other games that were similar. But it was it's kind of a cool little thing. And it's it's a fun project because there's little bits of hardwood on it. The playing surface is plywood on this version. And then the back has a softwood framework. I'll put photos of it on the show notes page so you can take a look at it there.
might do a Instagram post on it too before I send it on its way. So anyway, Aunt Mary, it's coming to you. Just got to figure out what happened to those nails.
Don't know. Yep. Last question or comment on there is from Harold again. Can there be a discussion of spray finishing setup options? I want to get into spray finishing. I'm trying to decide if I want to build a spray booth. I really want to use the good stuff. None of these filthy hippie waterborne finishes, but I don't want to go night night or boom boom just yet. Do I need a spray booth?
Logan Wittmer (23:24.9) Blame your brother.
Phil Huber (23:53.434) to get into conversion varnish? What if I give up my manhood and just spray waterborne finish? Can I get away without a spray booth then? Should I use one of those temporary pop-up spray booths? Logan, why didn't you put a finishing room in that new shop?
Logan Wittmer (24:09.348) That's a question for my wife, Harold, me. Sorry. No, I have access to a spray booth in the office. Spray booths, commercial spray booths like we have in the office are not cheap. not as expensive as you would think they are, but they're not cheap. Like you'll be several thousand dollars into a spray booth. I don't believe, now this is talking for somebody who likes the good stuff. I don't like that hippie finish either.
Phil Huber (24:12.356) you
Logan Wittmer (24:39.107) But, but I've started to become a water-based Finnish fanboy. Just, just for the simple fact, I don't care about the fumes, don't, like none of that stuff. I don't care about the environment, like I don't care.
John Doyle (24:55.721) You heard it here first guys. Forget the environment.
Logan Wittmer (24:57.218) I this is okay. Let's be clear. I'm gonna have an outdoorsman. care about the environment, but not like I I'm not concerned about spraying water based finish only because it's better for their planet. I simply like that. I can fill up the cup with water and soap, shake it around, spray it a little bit and it's clean. I hate messing around with mineral spirits.
John Doyle (25:09.856) Right.
Logan Wittmer (25:25.54) I love lacquer thinner, love acetone, love all that, love all the nasty stuff. But like most stuff you clean up with mineral spirits, it's the cheapest option generally. It sucks. I hate it. Just hate messing with that. I would, if I was doing it in my shop all the time, I would invest in a like automotive parts washer and fill it with mineral spirits. That way I could just throw everything in there and let it circulate and clean itself out. And then you, you know, you, you turn over that mineral spirits maybe once a year.
I think you can spray conversion varnish. I think you could spray lacquer. I think you'd spray all of that outside of your house if you have a good way to catch the blow-by or stuff that is going to land on your project. So yeah, one of those pop-up booths I think is great. Honestly, it depends on how much work you want to do.
those booths aren't huge. So if you're building bigger furniture, like you're going to have a hard time fitting a high boy in that, for example, or fitting a saw horse full of drawers, like you're not going to be able to do that. But I think this would maybe be a cool article. I think you could probably buy an old camping tent, like a big, like eight person camping tent and spray in that because all you're doing is you're trying to catch the stuff that's blown out.
more so you're trying to catch the stuff that's landing on the project. So like I'm, I'm, I'm concentrating on trying not to get grass clippings from a neighbor on the wet finish or bugs or bird poo as they fly overhead. Like that's the type of stuff I'm trying to keep off of it. I yep. I spray outside of my shop. I spray water-based, I spray lacquer, I spray shellac. and
I do have problems with bugs and stuff getting on it. Is it in the world? I don't really care that much because I'm not, I'm not gonna go through the effort of setting up a booth or a tent or whatever, or if it's that delicate, I take it into the shop and spray it in the booth. The thing the booths have going for them is they have filter material that it passes the fumes through. VOCs are getting through it still.
Logan Wittmer (27:45.494) VOCs are getting through it, but what it's doing is it's catching the particulates. It's catching the atomized finish. Yeah, it's catching that overspray. yeah, I don't think you have to invest in a giant booth setup to get good spray finishing at home. I don't know that he necessarily asked about like spray equipment, but I've become a big fan over the last couple of years of the Fuji spray stuff.
Phil Huber (27:50.933) overspray. Yeah.
Logan Wittmer (28:14.209) I had their Q3, we have a D6 in the shop, their new six stage turbine that will spray a lot of different stuff. I love them. Cup guns, HVLP stuff, love it.
John Doyle (28:29.951) Yep. Yeah. Back at my old house, all I had was a compressor and a cup gun and I would spray the catalyzed conversion lacquer and I would just go out to the driveway and I was underneath the silver maple tree. So you would think stuff would be falling down and I never really had a problem with it. guess it seems to dry fast enough where it's not like sitting there wet for hours and hours and you're going to get stuff in it. It seemed to dry pretty quick. So I did.
Logan Wittmer (28:58.605) Yeah, that's the biggest thing is like if what you're spraying flashes off, so if you're using the good stuff, it flashes off pretty quick. Like lacquer, shellac, mean spraying shellac. So like I've sprayed shellac in my shop here without an issue. You know, you set up a couple big pieces of cardboard from Liberty Hardwood and just spray on top of it.
John Doyle (28:59.659) didn't have a huge problem.
Phil Huber (29:21.411) Yeah, and we use pre-catalyzed lacquer here at Woodsmith and that the main reason that we do it is that it dries super fast. know, we can put, you know, in winter when it's dry, we can spray a coat every 45 minutes. And even in summer, it's an hour and a half tops, maybe between coats. So we can put several coats on in a day and pre-cat lacquer is super tough as a finished.
product so that it stands up to your durable high wear kind of scenarios that you want to go with.
John Doyle (30:01.387) That all being said, old masters in the last couple of years has come out with some really good water-based finishes that we've been happy with. that's another option.
Phil Huber (30:11.437) Yeah, right. Because in my shop, don't have spray equipment and I brush on Old Masters, Masters Armor, the one their newest or newest brushable one. And to me, that's the best one out there for water based finish that I've seen that you can apply with, you know, either like a paint pad or a really nice high quality brush.
but they had one at Woodworking in America that they've designed for spraying. And I don't remember the name of it.
Logan Wittmer (30:52.108) Hold on, I was just looking for it. I have a gallon of it here and it's wonderful. It is the Apex Clear HPP and it is sprayable only. It is not a brush and it dries so fast. That's what I use on the church's candle table and on their door. No, their door I didn't know because the door was exterior so I did their water-based exterior on the door.
Phil Huber (30:55.704) Yes.
Phil Huber (31:01.881) There you go.
Logan Wittmer (31:20.371) but I did this apex on the table and it, think, I think I told you guys, like I, so I first of all sprayed the, the stain. I'm like, this is the only way I'm ever putting stain on again. And then I sprayed the water base. like, this is great. It dries just as fast as the good stuff. but I can throw down just soap and hot water and shake it all about, you know, and it's no issues.
Phil Huber (31:46.832) So there you go, Harold. I think you have several paths ahead of you. Like I said in the comment, I'm not sure why conversion varnish was the one that you were going with. I think that takes longer to dry than catalyzed lacquer. But I think you could do water-based finish and still...
still be proud of that product. Cause I just love using the master's armor and then watching the demos that they had of the Apex stuff for spraying was super cool. And I don't think you need, if you do the water-based route, then basically all you need is something to catch the over spray. So you're not getting little tiny droplets of finish all over wherever you end up spraying, whether that's, you know, in a garage kind of scenario or
outside that kind of thing.
Logan Wittmer (32:44.96) Yeah, I think the biggest thing that people think about conversion varnish is that it's the toughest available finish. And it is, it's very tough. But I think when you get into at least the old masters water-based stuff, cause that's what I'm most familiar with. Like the masters armor and the apex and stuff. They have a hardener that you can put in it. And I was talking to Candice at old masters about the hardener because I didn't, I did not use the hardener in.
Phil Huber (33:06.733) Yeah.
Logan Wittmer (33:14.225) this apex I sprayed on the candle table because it says basically when you mix in the hardener you have like four hour pot life so like you got to get all your finish on in that little mixed up batch you did in four hours before it starts to uber harden. I think a lot of times they're using that hardener for like high wear stuff like floors and the flooring industry for a lot the longest time has really relied on water.
based finishes. A lot of the times because they are being applied in residential areas or where people are living, so you you don't want the fumes and stuff and they dry fast and they're hard wearing.
Phil Huber (34:03.533) Yeah, I think there's, like I said, water base for me is the way to go.
Phil Huber (34:12.943) All right.
Short and sweet, that's it for this week's episode of the Shop Notes Podcast. If you have questions, comments, or smart remarks we want to hear about it, you can send us an email, woodsmith at woodsmith.com, or leave a comment on our YouTube channel, Shop Notes Podcast. We're here every week, everybody. We'll see you next time. Bye.
