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Workshop Tour
DaleMichaelsWoodworks asks: Hey Phil any luck getting the rest of your shop tour series filmed now that it's warmer out? Lots of folks have spaces similar to yours (not shop mansions like Logan's hall) so it's great to see how you use the space.
I will be filming a new installment in the next week or so. It's good to know folk have been interested in this. My space is both lovely and frustrating at the same time. Recently, I've spent more time out in the shop and have appreciated it more. Check out my earlier video of the lumber rack and storage portion of the shop.
Tool Hunting
The other day Logan came to the studio hauling an old painted toolbox he bought off a guy ... just some random guy. As one does.
These are universally fun to look through. You'll hopefully see a version of this box appear in an upcoming issue of PopWood.
We're waiting to hear from listeners who can identify and comment on the tools found inside.
Otherwise here's a plan that we did in a similar vein in ShopNotes. Take note that this was done in Baltic birch plywood in order to look pretty. What it is is pretty heavy. I'd love to make a version of this in some lighter material. Or mix up the materials (and thickness) to cut weight.
Out of the detritus, I picked up a multipurpose marking gauge and a compass. The marking gauge has a mortise gauge portion and a face that allows you to follow curves. I need to do some more work on this to get it back into a reliable condition.
The compass needed nothing beyond some cleanup and oil to get the parts in shape. Though I may make an auxiliary tip to replace the pencil if I need a(nother) dividers.
Transcript
Here's the transcript of this show. Phil (03:08.91) Welcome, welcome. It's the ShopNotes Podcast episode number 231. Well, we're only really given 41 % today. I'm your host Phil Huber joined by Logan and John as always. And in today's podcast, we're doing a podcast update on
what's going to be happening with the future of the shop notes podcast and where it will live on the YouTube. We're also going to be answering some viewer and listener questions, which is really the lifeblood of what we do around here. So you want to stay tuned for that. We'll get some updates on TV show stuff, some new tool finds and why it is that Logan meets strangers near freeways to buy old tools. Make sure that you stay listening for that. Thanks to everybody who subscribes to Woodsmith, Shop Notes, and Popular Woodworking. Your subscription dollars are what keep us motivated and allow us to do something like the Shop Notes podcast. In addition, want to say thanks to our sponsors. This episode of the shop notes podcast is sponsored by Harvey industries. Good enough is not good enough. See all of our new tools at harveywoodworking.com.
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Phil (06:22.402) All right. Got a few comments from last couple of episodes here. From last week's episode, Puppy Doc says Leroy Jethro Gibbs. Love that show. NCIS. The original, not the spinoff crap. And we're all about the originals here on the shop notes podcast. Kevin Thomas says that Mark Harmon.
on NCIS was using his own tools for those scenes, which I did not know. Did not realize that. So there you go. And, yeah. So that's kind of cool. And then,
John Doyle (07:05.826) So just like us, Mark Harmon plays a woodworker on TV.
Phil (07:10.466) Yes. Yes.
Logan Wittmer (07:12.603) I think that's what I got.
Phil (07:14.67) Right. Maybe we need to see if I wonder it be interesting to know like does he still do that? Is he still a woodworker?
How much we're working, does he do?
Dale Michaels Woodwork says, Hey Phil, any luck on getting the rest of your shop tour series film now that it's warmer out? Lots of folk have similar spaces to yours. Parentheses, not shop mansions like Logan's hall. So it's hard to, so it's great to see how you use the space. Harold McDonald says, I quite enjoy hearing about your personal shop exploits. Good update on the doors. What's the latest with Logan's 3d printing endeavors?
This was sold to us as something Logan had to do because his son talked him into it. Now we have upgraded to a new fancier printer. Does your son do any printing anymore or has it become a stay back daddy's working type situation?
Logan Wittmer (08:17.038) Who was that that asked this?
Phil (08:19.855) Harold McDonald.
Logan Wittmer (08:21.349) Alright Harold, I gotta make sure I'm addressing the right person. So, let's be very clear. I jumped feet first and bought the nicer printer immediately. Because this man does not half-ass anything other than a finish on a TV show project. As we saw today. No.
Phil (08:24.994) Ha ha ha ha ha.
Logan Wittmer (08:49.323) I had, so the 3D printer until literally until this morning before we started filming the TV show has been down in my wife's office. Yes, Bob, the office that is unfinished. But I needed to run a couple of things on the 3D printer yesterday or yeah, yesterday for a magazine project that I had to shoot the final photos of.
Now my wife was on a meeting so I carried it upstairs into our kitchen and I was running stuff off the 3D printer in the kitchen because she was on a meeting and she didn't want the, know, happening while she was on her meeting. So as of this morning, I carried the 3D printer out of the kitchen into the shop. So it is now currently sitting on my workbench. My plan is to bring it in here into my office.
But I don't have a space for it. It doesn't need a lot of space. I just need to put it somewhere. So right now it's just sitting on my workbench. I will bring it into here. But to answer the question whether it's mine or my son's, I was in...
China a couple weeks ago and I'm getting notifications at like 10 o'clock at night to be like 10 in the morning here That my son was running stuff. So I'm like like texting him like why do you keep canceling the printer and stuff? So yeah, he he has ran a bunch of stuff I have ran a bunch of stuff Looking at the device history. It looks like I don't know like
40 % of it is his, 60 % is mine. Which is fair because I bought the bang thing.
Phil (10:41.506) but he still is obviously showing some interest in
Logan Wittmer (10:43.884) yes, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. like his interest is more of like other stuff and supplementing it with 3D printing. So it's like, hey dad, I'm gonna go play Dungeons and Dragons with my friends. Can I run off a bunch of terrain for our dungeon crawl? Like yeah, go for it man. Or, you know, whatever, stuff like that. Yeah, yeah.
Phil (11:11.726) That's cool.
Logan Wittmer (11:15.453) So... So it's still going on.
Phil (11:15.95) I mean, because we've, so we have kids, we all have kids and we know that they can be fickle in their interests as we were fickle with the interest when we express them to our parents.
Logan Wittmer (11:27.66) And some of us still are.
Phil (11:29.582) you
Logan Wittmer (11:32.087) Very self-aware, thank you.
Phil (11:34.038) Yes. Right. So anyway, for him to be still interested in it is kind of cool.
Logan Wittmer (11:40.845) Yes. Yeah. Like, he's not designing stuff by any means, but...
Phil (11:48.354) But I mean, we all start somewhere and there's all ways to into something like that. Whether it's just printing out things or starting from ground zero and designing stuff or whatever.
Logan Wittmer (11:50.84) Yeah.
Logan Wittmer (11:57.965) Yeah.
Phil (12:04.94) Okay. And then to answer the other question about the shop tour, I am planning on filming one in the coming week or two here. Now that it is, it is yes, warmer out there. I've made some improvements in my shop and I just kind of have to get the next area cleaned up a little bit better. I mean, I'm all for reality and honesty, but there's also the fact of like, I can't tell what you're pointing at because of all the junk. So.
Logan Wittmer (12:34.489) You had some visitors the other day to your shop, like right outside the door. Or right outside the window. You said that, I'm like, somebody's like, oh yeah, it looks like a big screen TV. was like, holy crap, it does.
Phil (12:34.775) It's an ongoing struggle.
Phil (12:41.964) Yeah.
Phil (12:50.508) Yeah, I was working at my bench on a couple of gift projects because of it being graduation season here and had the windows in my shop opened up and was just enjoying the day. And all of sudden I look up and there are two deer in my backyard just kind of like looking in on me, which was super, super funny. So one of them is a yearling buck. So you can see like little two little stub antlers growing out now.
And I think the other one was actually the mom, the doe. So I think she had, yes, a female deer. Yes.
John Doyle (13:25.221) A A deer? A female deer? okay.
Phil (13:33.858) Cause I think she ended up having two bucks for fawns last year. Cause I think both of them I've seen have little antler sprouts on them or whatever you call them. Yup. So anyway, yes, the videos are still coming. Part of it is that I've also been making some changes to my shop a little bit as I've gone on and...
Logan Wittmer (13:46.444) Hashtag boy mom.
Phil (14:00.556) want to make sure that I can reflect those in the videos, but I appreciate people's interest in it. I do love that space, even though I think a lot of woodworkers have angst over their shop space from time to time, but I do love it in spite of the angst I feel sometimes about. Yeah, there you go. One thing that I want to talk about is that we get a
Out of the way here, close to the top of the podcast before everybody tunes me out is we are going to be moving the YouTube version of the shop notes podcast to its own channel on YouTube. we'll be on the woodsmith channel for a little bit longer, but we'll also be going over to what will be called the shop notes podcast. So if you go over to your YouTube.
Logan Wittmer (14:55.073) Weird.
Phil (14:59.07) at shop notes podcast, you will find where we're going to be putting the shot, the podcast. And I believe our shop updates are going to be moving over there too. If I'm remembering that set of conversations correctly. Part of the reason for that is.
Logan Wittmer (15:14.358) The name would not imply that.
Phil (15:18.924) No, the name would not, but it is a shop update. So notes from the shop. feel like that's all legit.
Logan Wittmer (15:27.541) I'll buy it.
Phil (15:29.12) Anyway, primarily the podcast will be over there as a way to collect all the podcasts in one place and also allow the woodsmith channel to focus on content videos. So that's where we're, that's the reasoning behind that. I think you see that a lot in places with podcasts that have a separate YouTube channel. just all part of the
YouTube algorithm does this kind of thing. Then everybody adjusts to it. And then it does this thing and then everybody just to it. So this is one of the ways to adjust. So go over to shop notes, podcasts, make sure you subscribe and bells and all that other stuff. You know what I'm talking about.
John Doyle (16:10.185) Kind of feels like getting moved out of the prime time slot to after the 10 o'clock local news.
Phil (16:18.958) Right. Yeah. A little bit like that.
John Doyle (16:20.07) getting bumped? it like that? Or is it like, we've gotten so big that we need to have our very own broadcast? Like we're the Oprah channel. Like Oprah had a show and then she had her own. So we're so big. That's what I thought. That's what I Cool.
Phil (16:28.045) Right.
Yes, I think that's probably maybe the war. Yeah. Right. Yeah, I would go with it that way.
So anyway, that's the internal sausage making update of what's going on here at the shop notes podcast. Uh, the other thing was Tuesday, we were getting ready to start filming a TV show episode, our second to last one for the season, which is its own minor miracle that we're going to be done filming a TV show season in May instead of say,
August or September is pretty impressive. So congrats to everybody here on that. But we didn't get as early start on the video as we thought because all of a sudden somebody pounded on the side door of the studio over there.
open up the door and Logan says, I don't have my card and I'm carrying stuff and comes walking in with.
Logan Wittmer (17:45.59) Well, I think I said, hey, you guys want see what I bought? Yeah, well, okay. It's no secret that I like to buy stupid stuff that I don't need. And when a thing pops up on Facebook Marketplace that just says, old toolbox full of tools, I'm like, don't tempt me with a good time.
Phil (17:49.484) That's true, yes.
John Doyle (18:11.23) I feel like this is like having a white windowless van with free tools spray painted on the side and then Logan just, we never see or hear from him again.
Logan Wittmer (18:11.592) So I met this guy.
Logan Wittmer (18:24.822) I mean, not gonna argue with this. Yeah. Yeah, so like this guy had popped up on Facebook marketplace. had an old toolbox full of tools. Looking at the photos, I could see what looked like maybe a little plane in there, but it had a handle. So initially I'm thinking, okay, it's probably not, but there's a possibility it's like a Stanley number two or number one, which are the more rare of the Stanley planes.
But I could see some panel saws and they looked really nice. And we had Mark from Bad Axe down here last week to do some video. And I could see what looked like the knob of a router plane. And I'm like, okay, like his ASCII price was higher, but not unreasonable. It was a very good price if that had been a Stanley number one or two. So I met the guy at his house and basically, long story short, the guy does...
like estate cleanouts and he had found this. So he's just like, we'll sell it. It was not Stanley number one or two. It was a Stanley number three. Had pretty decent hardware on it. It had a crack in the cheek. like the body's the body shot kind of like all three of us. Body wasn't worth anything, but the, you know, the hardware was pretty good. So.
Yeah, don't think feels space is perfect. This is why this podcast gets moved to its own channel. And yeah, so I said, you know, look, I'm not interested in your full asking price. Like I would have to be in it at, you know, X amount. And he's like, it's yours. it. So, all right, cool. So the toolbox itself is kind of cool. is picture a
old style suitcase, like hard-sided suitcase, like one of the carry around ones. It's about that size, but it opens up kind of as a third, I guess, like a third section of it drops down and that's where the saws were. There was a lot of junk in it. There was absolutely a lot of junk. threw a lot. The only reason I brought it into the studio was so I could throw this stuff away in the garbage that wasn't mine. So we kind of stood there and...
Logan Wittmer (20:46.964) together we did an unboxing of this, I didn't really know what all was in it. So at the end of the day, I think the things I kept, I kept the Stanley number three, because it has some good hardware that I'll be able to resell, but the body's not worth anything. Had three panel saws, one of which is a Distin D8, the other two, there's like a Simmons and an Atkins that were pretty toasted. Like the plates were fine, but they were
kinked and stuff. There was a Stanley router plane with two cutters and the shoe attachment but no shoe which was kind of weird. What else was in there? Still sit in the back seat of my truck. I haven't looked at it.
John Doyle (21:37.286) Did you mention the sighting level with the little stand?
Logan Wittmer (21:41.648) No. So that was the other thing. that was kind of the little gem out of this whole thing, I thought. There was a metal Stanley number 36 level in there. levels are something that I don't usually pay any attention to because like in my standard wheel working, I don't use a level. Like I just don't. I use it when I'm hanging up stuff, but like building stuff in the shop, I don't use a level. But there was a metal level in there.
And then we started finding all these like little tins, like little old, I mean, they weren't tobacco tins, but kind of, and they had stuff in them. And we were looking at the stuff, it's like, man, this is weird. Like, I don't know what this stuff is. And then all of it's like, oh my God, everything slides onto the level. And then the level had this little four-legged stand that went with it. So it was this entire Stanley. So Stanley still does, actually researched it a little bit then.
So the Stanley 36 is the 24 inch level. It's a machinist level. So it's meant to set up machines. And then they sold these little spotting, let's call it a spotting glass, but more like a, of like an old rifle sight kind of, that goes on top of the level that clamps on the sides. And it's meant to like, what it's meant for is in use with that rotating base that was with the level.
is to level stuff in a circle around a room. So think of like what we'd use a modern day laser level for. Like if you were hanging a drop ceiling, for example, that's what this would be used for. So you would mount this level up to wherever and then you could sight through the things to get your line of level around a room or a space or whatever. So it was cool. Is there any value in it? I don't know.
Heck, I think it was worth the hundred bucks I paid just for that level, because I think it's kind of cool. yeah, it was kind of interesting. Not something I'd seen. So I started looking back through some of the Stanley catalogs. And I found the level. I found the sites for it. The sites were sold for 75 cents back in 1936. I don't know what that translates to today. There was another set of clamps in there that
Phil (23:47.31) Thank
Logan Wittmer (24:07.283) fit on one of the folding rules really nicely, but I don't know that that's what they go to. I can't find anything on them. And then there was a few other little accessory type things that I think Phil has a few of them that I was like, I don't need them. So yeah, it was a fun little, just a fun little toolbox purchase that I don't usually, like I don't usually just buy the toolbox just for the tools. Usually it's like, oh, I want to buy one or two of the tools out of the case, but when the,
Price is right and the iron's hot, you must strike.
Phil (24:42.998) I did like the, the design of that toolbox because it's one of those drop-sided, it's a style and I can't remember what the name of it is, like a site box or something like that. shop notes, we did a design similar to that. I'll see if I post the plan link for it, that I thought was really cool and would be a fun project to do, redraw it because the
Logan Wittmer (24:56.124) Yeah.
Phil (25:11.458) The box itself, I think, was kind of roached.
Logan Wittmer (25:15.134) yeah, and you could tell it wasn't a very nice one either. Like, mean, was plywood and stuff.
Phil (25:18.476) Yeah. Yeah. And somebody had built it and put it together and obviously it served its purpose, but the design I think is a cool one to reconsider for a variety of tools and how you would use them. So I'll put a photo of that on the show notes page for that. Yeah. There was a scraper. I'm just looking at a photo that I took of one here. There's a, yeah, scraper plane in there. A couple of chisels with.
Logan Wittmer (25:24.434) Yeah.
Logan Wittmer (25:40.544) yeah! There was a Scraper plane, there was one to, number 12, yeah.
Phil (25:47.724) that needed handles, handful of auger bits, which I think is federally required in all old toolboxes that you buy.
John Doyle (25:50.297) Okay.
Logan Wittmer (25:55.217) But the roll was really nice. Like honestly, the roll was in really good shape. Like it wasn't like the old like waxed canvas type roll. It was like a nice, I mean it was canvas, a kind of a burlapy or like a duck canvas style. It was pretty nice.
John Doyle (26:14.977) Phil found a few crumbs in the toolbox.
Phil (26:18.306) Yeah, I'll put a couple, I'll put some photos on there was a, I believe ends up being a.
Logan Wittmer (26:19.461) Yeah.
Phil (26:27.928) Who did we think the manufacturer of this one is?
Logan Wittmer (26:29.478) So the manufacturer on that is the Aptol Machinery Company. it was a, so yeah, Sterrett bought them in 1918, something like that. So Sterrett actually bought that company.
Phil (26:34.008) company. Similar to Starrett because Starrett is based in Athol as well.
Phil (26:46.944) Okay. And then, I found, I don't even know who the maker is on a little mortising gauge, the double ended. So it's got the mortise tips on one side and then the marking gauge cutter on the opposite side, which I got to figure out a way to get that out of there. Cause it's pretty worn down, but it's kind of cool. So you can adjust the size for the mortising tips. And then also on the backside of the fence, there's two little nubbins for being able to follow around.
curved edges too. So I want to do a little repair work on this one just to bring it up to a little bit better use. But I think it was, there was a cool one in there. Let's see what else did I see? The little hot dog attachment for a hand plane.
Logan Wittmer (27:33.105) Yeah, I can't find who would have made that. I don't even know if that's what that was. I mean, it fits so nicely, it has to be. But it's one of those things where it's like the stained red beach or whatever. know, like the type of handle like a Defiance hand plane has. It's kinda like that. So it's like not a super high quality one, but it does work.
Phil (27:38.552) Yeah.
Phil (27:41.932) Right.
Phil (27:49.741) Yeah, yeah.
Phil (27:58.38) Yeah, there was a little round sharpening stone in there.
And then the little scraper with the wheels on it.
Logan Wittmer (28:11.297) Yeah, I don't remember what the name on that one was I was gonna look it up and it's out in my truck Yeah, there was a it was a I Don't know that I'm guessing it was a carbide being that old that vintage maybe but it had a little square scraper end, but it was like a little I mean think of if you just like literally if you took a square carbide scraper and screwed it on the front of a matchbox car
Phil (28:25.112) Right.
Logan Wittmer (28:39.441) That's exactly what this thing was. Like it has wheels for guiding it along the surface so you don't gouge it and a side wheel so you can get into corners. Like it's pretty sweet. So I'm gonna see if I can find a scraper insert to fit that. I mean it's a rectangular size which is a little weird but whatever.
Phil (29:02.594) Yup. So anyway, it's kind of fun whenever I go to an antique mall or garage sales or something like that, and you see a toolbox, like you have to open it up and see what's inside. Just to see, cause there's a little picture of whoever owned it for whatever reason, why they kept it. Sometimes there are time capsule where this was just part of the family and it got handed down and clearly hasn't been used in forever.
Logan Wittmer (29:15.941) Yeah.
Phil (29:32.128) And other times it's, these are the tools that we used and this is what it looks like. Cause there was approximately two pounds of just dust in there too.
Logan Wittmer (29:37.466) Mm-hmm.
Logan Wittmer (29:41.104) Oh yeah, oh yeah, and there was a lot of like, threw a lot of wrenches away, which, pardon me, it's like, oh, they're really nice, like, they're like true American-made drop-forged wrenches, like they're good wrenches, but, do you guys can see the dogs behind me? They're not killing the cat, I promise. The cat is holding his own. I think he's currently under the couch attacking the dogs. Like,
John Doyle (30:00.63) You
Logan Wittmer (30:10.224) They're super nice, but it's like, don't need those. Like what am I gonna do with those? So dumped those. Didn't dump any of the auger bits. There was a bunch of Allen wrenches. So I like to know that even back in the 50s, every tool and machinery company sent Allen wrenches with their tools. So those aren't the garbage. We found those blades to like that fret saw, but instead of having pins on the end, they had a
Phil (30:37.504) yeah.
Logan Wittmer (30:39.887) So the end had a little loop on them and I've never seen that before. don't know who would have manufactured that. I haven't seen a blade like that before. But those are also in the garbage. We threw a whole lot of tetanus away. Let's put it that way.
Phil (30:41.294) Luke's here.
Phil (30:59.704) Right. Which means that right now there are several people screaming into their phones or at their iPads telling us either what we got wrong about what we were talking about with these tools or that we should have saved something or other or whatever. So if that's you and you have some more information to help us out, that would be great. You can put that in the comment section on the YouTube channel, shop notes podcast or.
Logan Wittmer (31:07.565) Yeah.
Logan Wittmer (31:17.262) And that's what it is. Yeah.
Phil (31:28.878) email woodsmith at woodsmith.com. Attention Logan Whitmer Toolbox.
Logan Wittmer (31:32.98) Yes.
Phil (31:37.304) So anyway, that kind of stuff is always fun to see.
Logan Wittmer (31:41.206) Yeah. There was a few, like... man, what would I call them? Like keyhole saws, I guess, right? There were...
John Doyle (31:49.366) Yeah, the little pistol grip Saturday night special keyhole saw.
Phil (31:50.444) Yes.
Logan Wittmer (31:53.655) Yeah, there was one that was a little like cast, I don't know, cast aluminum or something. yeah, it was like, put that, you're stocking under your lace black dress and that's your, you know, like your going out saw. Yep.
John Doyle (32:04.758) Keep it in your garter belt on.
Phil (32:08.748) Yeah, it was the branded as the Allway saw.
Logan Wittmer (32:12.952) Yeah.
Phil (32:15.06) I see on here on this image the ultra manufacturing company.
Logan Wittmer (32:21.486) yeah, and look at that, there is even a website that says the All Way Tool, it's allwaytool.com, allwaytools.com. Innovation since 1935. This article is, man, the untold narrative of always handy-saws evolution from local gem to national success.
Phil (32:32.173) Okay.
Phil (32:47.054) Okay. All right.
Logan Wittmer (32:48.086) So I'm gonna have to read this. there's like, this is legit too. I'll send you guys this link.
Phil (32:56.088) Okay.
Logan Wittmer (33:00.504) They still make blades for that stupid saw, by the way.
Phil (33:06.008) Sorry.
John Doyle (33:08.374) The people that are buying those blades are the same people that are buying the white epoxy roller drawer slides. Yeah. There you go. Sling and dirt. Yep.
Logan Wittmer (33:15.381) and shop smiths.
Phil (33:16.078) you
Phil (33:19.48) There we go. Let's stir up the sediment from the bottom of the pot there.
Logan Wittmer (33:19.566) This is the shop smith version of a handsaw
Logan Wittmer (33:31.241) man.
Phil (33:36.148) One thing that I got, another thing that I got on there, I don't have it here with me was a little gimlet bit for a brace, which I think I must've gotten several other ones from you in the past. Is that where those came from? And this one was a little eighth inch size one, which if you're not familiar with the gimlet bits for a brace in the small, I think in the smaller sizes. let's say eighth inch up to
Logan Wittmer (33:42.698) yeah, yeah, yeah.
Logan Wittmer (33:49.101) I think you did, yeah.
Phil (34:06.978) Maybe three eighths of an inch. I think they actually drill a hole more efficiently than a standard brace auger bit does. And obviously you're not getting a brace auger bit at an eighth of an inch, but you know, like the quarter five sixteenths, three eighths, even up a little higher. think they actually work a little bit better and they're kind of a fun look to them as well.
Logan Wittmer (34:16.3) Yeah.
Logan Wittmer (34:30.027) Yeah. I don't know how you sharpen them though.
Phil (34:33.998) I found...
Is it Shannon Rogers actually did a video on him from like years and years ago? And then I, I don't remember.
Logan Wittmer (34:44.417) Makes sense. Was it Big Shannon?
before he lost all the weight.
Phil (34:51.446) Yeah. And then he had in there about how to sharpen them. So I figured out a way to do that too. And it actually wasn't too difficult with, you know, with a small little diamond file or something like that. You could put a nice edge on them.
Logan Wittmer (35:02.945) Yeah. See, I was wondering if you could do something kind of like you do with, so yeah, I mean, you could sharpen rasps and files. They basically acid etch them to sharpen them. Like I was wondering, like, could you do that with like in one bit? Maybe. I don't know. I don't know. I'm sure it all has to do with the like structure of the metal.
Phil (35:16.364) Right.
Phil (35:22.072) Maybe. Yeah.
Phil (35:37.976) All right, John, here's your weekly update. What do you got going on?
John Doyle (35:42.324) Been working on the TV show. So almost have that bar done.
Phil (35:48.227) Mm-hmm.
John Doyle (35:48.499) So we'll have, I don't know how many bars will we have here then, just the two, I guess.
Logan Wittmer (35:53.442) Yeah.
John Doyle (35:54.343) Yeah, because Mark took his home.
Phil (35:56.542) This was a bar project that Mark Hopkins, our shop craftsman, actually originally designed and built for... I think he did it in a rush because they were going to have a pool party at his house.
John Doyle (36:10.631) Yeah, was like built and finished in a week. Yeah.
Logan Wittmer (36:10.9) It was like a tiki bar, wasn't it?
Phil (36:13.27) Yeah. Yeah. But it was a cool design.
John Doyle (36:17.023) It seems like anytime I was gonna say anytime somebody's building a personal project in the shop, it's like, hey, we could do that as a magazine project. Let's double duty this thing. So, but yeah, it's pretty cool project.
Logan Wittmer (36:32.392) It's how you fall into the Popwood way. It's like every project becomes a magazine project. Whomp, whomp.
John Doyle (36:36.339) Yeah.
Yep. And it's not fun anymore.
Logan Wittmer (36:43.635) Yup.
John Doyle (36:44.5) But this one was, I mean, it pretty simple. Plywood, mahogany plywood case and edge banding. think we're talking a little bit about it, because we started on it last week. We got the edge banding on it. So we're kind of to the end. Now we just have to finish Logan's finishing and assemble it.
Phil (37:00.0) Yes.
Logan Wittmer (37:11.049) my fit, well, it needs a coat of spray lacquer on the top. That's it.
John Doyle (37:14.417) Yeah. Well, that's something. It's not nothing. But we've got to put all the parts together. mean, because we have a painted lattice, plywood, decorative lattice for the front and the mahogany case. So we've got to put the legs on it and the top. But it's all pretty much just pocket screwed. So not too bad. It's all there.
Phil (37:16.174) True story. Yeah. Yeah.
Logan Wittmer (37:19.626) Yeah, I'll...
Phil (37:40.738) When we, when we, when you got the materials for this project and you ordered for the top, because you said you what order requested like X number of board feed.
John Doyle (37:52.147) Yeah, I don't remember what I ordered. said, oh, I should get like 20 to 30 board feet of 6 quarter mahogany for the top. So I figured, you know, get a couple boards in to glue up this little top. And it came in one 13 inch wide 16 foot board. So it was like, toting that thing to the mitre saw to break down. I ended up just getting it like halfway and then broke it down with the track saw right there.
Phil (38:21.154) Yeah.
John Doyle (38:22.023) It was interesting. Must have been a big tree.
Phil (38:24.108) What I think is interesting is I don't, I don't know what flavor of mahogany tree that that came from, but it, think as it started to grow, it was like what they do with asparagus where you put the cover over the top of it to blanch it because this was the palest.
John Doyle (38:38.118) Yeah.
Phil (38:45.132) mahogany I have ever seen.
John Doyle (38:46.418) Yeah, I don't know, do mahogany trees even get like that big? seems it's big, they do.
Logan Wittmer (38:51.125) They do? yeah, yeah, yeah, mahogany trees can get very large. But yeah, it was like white as my butt cheek. I mean, it was white. Welcome everybody, you're welcome.
John Doyle (39:03.346) Thank you. Except for Jim. Jim's not welcome.
Phil (39:07.534) All right. At least we'll get new comments.
Logan Wittmer (39:08.788) In you guys have... Yep. Yes.
I'm just seeing if I get more people to follow Jim out onto the island.
Phil (39:18.574) There you go.
Phil (39:23.79) So anyway, we got that episode that we're wrapping up. One thing that was cool on that is the lattice panel on the front that Dylan came up with when he redrew Mark's version. And then in the magazine, we showed how to do it with a router template that you just kind of like tile your way across the panel. Chris did a version on the shop built CNC, which was cool.
But since the whole panel doesn't fit on our shop CNC, he showed how to do two identical panels basically in half. And then he splined them together. And I think was a really cool way to do that. way to maximize what you could do with a CNC, even though it was relatively small.
Phil (40:17.464) fun to incorporate those kind of things into TV show projects.
Phil (40:28.952) So anyway, like I said, we have one more episode left to shoot next week. We're to be doing that one on home office related projects. So which are the fun episodes, I think, because each one of us kind of picks a project that we'd like to do and presents it in a way that's unique to our own tastes and whatever.
Logan Wittmer (40:46.954) Mm-hmm.
Phil (40:54.862) There you go.
And Logan is finishing up an issue of popular word working as we speak.
Logan Wittmer (41:03.466) I sent it off to pre-press before we hit record. Which doesn't mean it's done, I still have to look at proofs. But, yeah, it's a... I feel like I just did this. Like this is a never-ending cycle. Like, ship off, ship off an issue. Like, whoo, got some breathing room, let's catch up on the day job. And all of it's like, oh god, that has to get done next week. Crap. So...
Phil (41:06.03) there we go.
Phil (41:12.077) Right.
Phil (41:22.043) Ha
Logan Wittmer (41:35.304) But she's off. It's gone.
Phil (41:42.466) Congratulations.
Logan Wittmer (41:43.934) Thank you.
Phil (41:47.308) Your reward is to start on the next issue.
Logan Wittmer (41:51.082) I I'm gonna have to start bugging some of my contributing writers to finish up their copy.
Phil (42:00.632) What's the feature project in this issue?
Logan Wittmer (42:05.481) So we got two of them. I have that shaker, like, pedestal table. That one, it's just a good classic project, right? Not like, just a good design. That one was kind of my, like, ode to Thomas Moser and his contributions to the woodworking world. And then the other big one that we have is a...
Phil (42:12.923) yeah,
Logan Wittmer (42:34.512) So we're calling it a dust collection workstation. It is more or less a dust deputy. So if anybody's familiar with like the Oneida dust deputy, it's kind of that cyclonic dust separator that goes in line between your dust, your vacuum and your tool. This is designed to be like a workstation around that. So that's housed underneath with the dust collect or with a
vacuum, little bit of storage. That happened to be what I was 3D printing parts for. I printed some little clips to hold like the tubes, like vacuum tubes and stuff. Shelves on the end for storage. Ends up being a pretty high cart. You know, it's an okay height for sanding. I wouldn't want to do much like, you're not going to do any planing on top of it or anything, but you know, for like finishing or stacking parts or stuff, it works really well.
and the third is Willie. Sandra has a charging cabinet, like a wall mounted cabinet to hold all your batteries and chargers and stuff. Kind of a standard upper cabinet build. which just happens to be that he's using it for charging. but we always kind of concentrate on the lower cabinets. You know, my or saw station was lower cabinets. he did a,
he did an article a couple of issues ago on shop cabinets, a one-wall workshop, kind of. And we really concentrated on lower cabinets there as well, so this is good way to bring in and incorporate uppers.
Phil (44:20.942) Thanks.
Logan Wittmer (44:21.799) Yeah.
Phil (44:29.646) All right. think that's it for another episode of the Shop Notes podcast. Appreciate you listening and tuning into that. Again, if you have any questions, comments, or smart remarks we want to hear about them, you can send those to Woodsmith@woodsmith.com or leave them on our YouTube channel. Also a reminder, if you're on our mailing list, you should be getting reminders for the upcoming Woodworking in America event.
That will be this October in Des Moines, Iowa, right here, global headquarters. And we're getting everything all wrapped up with that. So that's kind of cool to be planning that and looking forward to that as well. in July is the. AWFS show in Las Vegas and Logan and I will both be out there for that event, along with several of our colleagues from.
Woodshop news and fine woodworking. So it will be a giant all star reunion. Yeah. Just one non. We have a booth.
Logan Wittmer (45:34.258) party.
We have a booth!
John Doyle (45:38.639) and two bars.
Logan Wittmer (45:40.335) We have a booth with a couch.
Phil (45:43.926) Okay. All right. There you go. So if you're in the Las Vegas area and want to stop in for that, feel free. Say be there to say hey.
All right, we'll see you next week everybody. Bye.
