In my workshop right now, two items are on the bubble, and they probably aren't aware of it. First is a 2"-wide chisel. I've had it for a couple years. The problem is the blade cannont hold an edge. I've ground it back, sharpened at a higher angle, all the things. The edge rolls as soon as it's used. Logan suggests that I reharden it. I'm not sure I want to go through with the process.
The other project is a cheese & cracker tray. Some of the pieces are leftover "stunt" parts from the TV show. Others are my own additions. I haven't touched it in several years. Other projects always jump to the head of the line. I'll get to it ... someday. Maybe.
The main question from this episode is, "When is it time to say goodbye?" Perhaps you have a project that's still kicking around. Or maybe there's a tool lost in a cabinet. I'd like to know what kinds of similar experiences others are facing right now.
Almost Done
One project of mine that is closer to completion is a spice cabinet. The sizing is based on a tea chest by Mike Pekovich that you can see later this fall on the Woodsmith Shop. (Woodsmith Unlimited members get access to all 19 seasons - BTW) I reoriented this one on edge, made it from white pine, and joined the parts with box joints.
The sliding doors feature panels that are inspired by a pipe cabinet from James Krenov. Since the cabinet is meant to house spice containers (shai halud), I thought an open design on the doors would evoke the thought of aromas and flavors from the spices.
State Fair
John and I were at the Iowa State Fair last week. One must-see stop is the Cultural Center to see the woodworking exhibits. Here are a few that we noticed.
This cabinet was made by a 4H student. Pretty impressive.
Office Shade
PuppyDoc Bob wondered whether I made a sneaky comment about Logan's (still) unfinished office project. Considering that his shop's office is "remarkably complete," Bob wonders what the current status of the other office is.
Transcript
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Phil (00:08.458) It is the ShopNotes podcast. Hello everybody. I'm your host Phil Huber joined by a John Doyle today. Once again, we've sent Logan out on assignment and he will report back next time on his adventures in the great state of Wisconsin. Milwaukee, Wisconsin to be exact. So we'll check in on him then.
On this episode, we're going to talk about some upcoming projects that we have going on here. Some listener feedback from our YouTube channel. And we'll ponder the question of when it's time to say goodbye to a tool. Thanks for listening, everybody. I appreciate everybody who subscribes to Woodsmith, ShopNotes, and Popular Woodworking magazines, or is part of our
Woodsmith Unlimited membership that you can join and get access to all kinds of great woodworking content online. You can check that out at woodsmith.com where you'll find out more information about that. Special thank you to our sponsor for today's episode. This episode of the Shop Notes podcast is sponsored by Harvey Industries. Good enough is not good enough. See all of our new tools.
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All right. Recently we made the switch to moving the shop notes podcast over to its own YouTube channel. And it's been a little bit of a slow burn to get the viewer numbers back up to that. So here's a shout out to anybody who's been listening and would love it if you could just go over to the youtube.com slash shop notes podcast.
and subscribe, help get those numbers back up. And then also leave a comment, question, smart remark, all of that is fair play on that. So we have from last episode, Puppy Doc Bob says, wait, Phil brought up a home office? Was this subtle, his subtle way of bringing up a home office that hasn't been completed yet? Inquiring minds want to know.
John Doyle (02:54.087) Thanks.
Yeah, I think yes, you're just subconsciously digging at Logan and his unfinished home office. It's just, it's just automatic now.
Phil (03:14.402) Right. What's interesting to me is that we were recently at Logan's shop filming some videos for Popular Woodworking and both you and I had a chance to see Logan's office in his shop, which is, would say, remarkably complete.
Phil (03:40.942) It's got the desk in there all done and a bookcase got some nice trim work up sofa all of those things so it's interesting that that his
His office setup is all set. Complete. Ready to go.
John Doyle (04:05.09) the question is he just selfish or is he being just so thoughtful on his wife's home outfits that he just hasn't been able to complete it yet because he's still working on the perfect setup that's the question
Phil (04:22.958) Could be, yeah. Because I know at one point his wife's home office was going to include a hobby space, but I don't know how much that's changed. Who knows? These are all questions.
John Doyle (04:39.846) Tune in next week.
Phil (04:40.972) Yeah, which will bring up the whole question of like, how do you know when a project is ready to actually get underway or complete?
John Doyle (04:53.722) Yeah, I'd say that's a big mental hurdle for me on getting... Like, I almost need a deadline. Like, it needs a specific need or has been done by this time. Otherwise, I'll just keep mentally tinkering and designing.
Sometimes done is better than perfect.
Phil (05:18.05) I would agree. Cause otherwise it, you're right. It will just sort of hang on and just not get done if there are any kind of open-ended questions on it. And I think it's often easier to just modify it once it's done rather than to continue to, I don't know, sketch out ideas or explore other avenues because there's any number of other
drain pipes to jump down and start another another side quest.
Phil (06:00.014) There you go.
Phil (06:04.128) Anyway, I appreciate anybody who sends in comments would also like to know if anybody else has a project that is just kind of hanging about. Whether it's a home improvement project or a woodworking project that you started a while ago and just haven't gotten around to finishing it yet or completing it. Which absolutely no judgment here because that is just who we are.
And I'll go first in the sense that several years ago on the TV show, we did a project. It was like a combination little tiny cutting board and serving tray like for cheese and crackers.
Phil (06:51.352) great-looking project I have I rescued an end grain cutting board from I think it was either garage I think it was a garage sale really nice one just needed some help that I plan had planned to use in this cheese and cracker tray and then I actually have a leftover prop from that episode because you do like table saw cove cuts to create
both a handle and a recess for crackers on this tray. And then I had some cherry that I got from my dad for the side rails. I know exactly what I need to do to wrap it up, but it's been sitting in parts on my lumber rack in my shop for a while, multiple years, and I'm not entirely sure why.
Phil (07:50.029) Maybe it's because I don't exactly know who it's going to go to or what it's for. Like it's a cool project and it's the kind of thing that I would want to make, but I just haven't finished it.
John Doyle (08:06.084) Yeah, I found that when it comes to home improvement projects, the best way to motivate yourself to get them done is just to put your house on the market. Just sell it. And then that's when you'll get everything done. I mean, just ask Chris Fitch. He knows he's going through that right now.
Phil (08:16.66) Ha ha ha!
Phil (08:22.988) Right. Yeah. He's, yeah, he's definitely had a fire lit under him and knocked off quite a few things off of his, off his punch list. Now that his house is for sale. So, yeah, these are all very true statements. I'd also like to know people's thoughts on when you would say, like, just let it go.
Like give those parts to somebody else or Chuck them in the burn barrel. You know, light them up on a cool fall evening and just send it on its way.
John Doyle (09:07.246) Yeah, that kind of happened to me with one of the projects we did. I don't remember what season it was. It's been a while ago, but that rolling like pantry tool cabinet that we did on the show and it wasn't quite finished. It needed a few things done and then painted or some sort of finish on it. And I had it for a long time around here and it got wheeled around and moved around. And then I gave it up to Becky.
Phil (09:21.57) yeah.
John Doyle (09:36.782) take is like, hey, I'm not going to finish this. You just take it. And then I got a post-it note of list of like, well, I need this, this, and this done on it so I can take it. And it's like, well, if I was going to do that, I just would have taken it home. So that was one of those things that I got kind of tossed around for a while. And then it's just like, OK, let it go. So I think Chris might have adopted that most recently. So maybe.
Phil (10:02.552) that could be. mean, it was a great project. Like you said, we built it, I think in shop notes as a tool cabinet. That it had two smaller doored compartments up above, larger ones down below that I think we had as either shelves or pullout drawers or both, something like that.
John Doyle (10:25.059) It was just one of those things, yes, it was a nice project, but I didn't have a specific need for it. So it never really got put to the front of the line and just kind of hung around. So, it's one those things.
Phil (10:46.35) All right, so there you go. That's the first question for this week is what are you going to do? What is your project that's hanging around? And then follow up is, do you just, when do you just let it go? What are you going to do with it?
Phil (11:09.42) All right. We got some updated news here. We've been working on an e-learning course on setting up shop that we're filming, filming and preparing for and doing all the stuff. And one of the reasons for doing it, as we've discussed before, is to replace the photo backdrop for the photo studio set here at Woodsmith.
with something that.
just freshens up the look a little bit is one big reason for it. The one that we've had, what did you say it was like 15 years old?
John Doyle (11:48.675) Yeah, well, I think 2015 or 2016, so maybe like 10 years old.
Phil (11:54.017) Okay, so ten years. Alright. Still, longer than I thought it had been hanging around.
John Doyle (12:01.889) Yeah.
Phil (12:08.952) so you did a section filming last week on making the benchtop for some t for a pair of rolling cards
That was a pretty cool segment. We're going to leave all the spoilers.
under wraps until that airs. But needless to say, you made the tops for these out of MDF.
John Doyle (12:39.969) Yes.
Phil (12:42.83) And we created a blizzard of MDF dust in the video studio here.
John Doyle (12:52.907) Yes, that is the one thing I hate about MDF is you cut it or route it. is like instant blizzard or snowstorm of dust. So.
Phil (13:08.718) You know, like when we're cutting it on the table saw, you know, we have a dust collector hooked up and that wasn't too bad. You broke down some of the sheets with track saw cut parts.
Phil (13:27.692) And even that didn't create a ridiculous amount of dust, I don't think. think the Craig track saw that we were using had decent dust collection into the like filter bag that's on it attached to it. It was flush trimming parts.
John Doyle (13:48.025) That's where it got us.
Phil (13:49.731) Yeah.
John Doyle (13:52.065) Yeah, was nothing, yeah, for filming there wasn't much you could really do about that. We were just kind of stuck in the studio. But I was making, because we're making a second top, so doing that off camera, I decided to take that outside. Release, release the MDF into the world. So sorry world.
Phil (14:09.262) Sorry world.
Phil (14:16.268) Which considering that it's late August here in Iowa, and the ragweed pollen count has been kind of through the roof the last few days. I really don't feel like we're contributing much to it.
John Doyle (14:33.296) a drop in the ocean of pollen and dust.
Phil (14:36.578) Yeah.
Phil (14:41.026) Then we had a state fair was last couple of weeks here in Iowa. And Dylan got to be part of the judging for the woodworking events out at the state fair. And you and I both went out and got to see those. What were some of the, what were some of the ones that you noticed while you were out there?
John Doyle (15:02.112) Somebody did a pretty cool grandfather clock. I think the best overall was it was a stool with a built-in like guitar kind of holder rack type system. That was kind of cool. That was unique.
Phil (15:17.885) yeah.
John Doyle (15:22.913) think of what else they saw. The decoys and the carving and the turning is always amazing out there. There's always lots of entries and very well done. So I some cool stuff in the 4-H building by the youngsters. they always do some cool things. Trying to think of what I saw out there.
Phil (15:44.812) Hmm. Okay.
John Doyle (15:53.973) was a...yeah.
Phil (15:54.031) because there's usually quite a few or a handful of woodsmith projects that are in those.
John Doyle (15:58.174) Yeah, so I'm always on the lookout for stuff that I recognize from plans or magazine issues. don't remember seeing any necessarily this year, but I didn't go through every aisle. But that's some pretty cool stuff. So I took some pictures. We can share them on the page, the show notes page.
Phil (16:19.938) Yeah. Yeah, we'll do that.
One of the projects was a table that had used the bow tie, several of those, the bow tie splines or whatever you want to call them to join pieces together, keep cracks from spreading. I thought that one was kind of a unique table.
I did like the stool that had the guitar stand built into it. That was definitely a really nice creative project.
Phil (17:05.974) Even though I know that it's a challenge for folk, it's kind of fun to see a project that combines disciplines, so to speak, within woodworking. Like that walnut case clock had, you know, just basic wood furniture making, what I would call. But then at the top had a, had like a broken pediment.
look to it with a turned and carved finial or cartouche or whatever you want to call it. And then in the pediment was like carved flower rosettes in there. So
Phil (17:51.395) which I think was a good stretch of that woodworkers abilities to be able to have to pull off those at that level.
Phil (18:08.942) But yeah, I always liked seeing the carvers too. Iowa has some really good wood carvers out there. there was a, what was it? Duck and then like a Woodcock and like a trout or something like that in there. I think that was all really well done.
John Doyle (18:34.206) There was a turned vase or vessel, I guess you'd call it. And I saw two of them. saw one of them in the woodworking section. I saw one of them in the art section. They look the same, different woods, but maybe the same person enters them into two different categories. And it was turned, but it was like segmented pieces that were kind of at different levels. And I could not, and I'm not a turner, so I like.
Maybe this is like somebody that turns a lot could knows this would be a very simple thing for them. But I could not figure out how like the process that you would go about doing this because of the different like layers and levels. So I'll have to share a picture on the page to see get comments from the wood turners out there and see if they can figure out the process or how you go about doing that. So but yeah.
Phil (19:29.164) or explain the process, Yeah, because it had kind of like a, almost like a basket weave look to it.
John Doyle (19:31.58) Yeah, because I thought that was kind of cool.
John Doyle (19:36.55) Yeah, was like kind of stepped blocks and but I mean all of them were roundish like they were turned so I don't know.
Phil (19:47.117) Yeah, but it wasn't like your typical segmented turning where you just create a bunch of layers and then just create a flowing, you know, flowing smooth surface over the whole thing. Yeah, it was really cool. Yeah. So this is my challenge and like, just get us ready for next year. Just maybe think of a way that you can show off some of your woodworking projects.
either at your local woodworking club or county fair or state fair. Get more people seeing projects built by other people. Would be cool to do.
John Doyle (20:30.679) Grizzly had that the contest with everybody entering their projects that was cool to see you know what everybody entered so yeah yep
Phil (20:39.81) Yeah, the grizzly makers challenge. was a really fun, fun one. Logan and I got to be part of the judging team on that one. And there was a lot, I think probably the hardest part about judging that is unlike at the state fair where you can have kind of broad categories of like chairs or cabinets or turning things or what it was just all in at once. to compare, you know, a really fine carved piece up against
you know, instrument or a wardrobe or something like that makes it.
Makes it not fun. Fun to see makes it not fun to like separate like what's better and what's worse.
John Doyle (21:18.973) Yeah, not fun to judge. Yeah.
Phil (21:30.178) Wow, super cool. All right, so in addition to the...
One wall workshop that you're working on. What else you got going?
John Doyle (21:43.933) let's see, like, like you said, the last week or so lot of filming for the class, which is always a different work week, it seems like, because as you know, you're on camera a lot. So it's like always seems like you have a whole crew of people waiting on you to get the next thing done. So you're always like on the clock and still trying to check emails and get magazine issue stuff out. So it's always nice.
when that is done for the week, because it seems like, yeah, two or three days and you're burnt out, like drained from that. So, I guess doing a lot of that filming. What else we have coming up? We've talked about, I think, the outfeed table we need to do for the TV show and shop notes. So I've got that on my plate and it seems like there was something else.
Phil (22:36.877) Right.
John Doyle (22:46.525) Still building and designing the work benches as we go though, which is interesting for the one wall workshop because it's like.
Phil (22:55.248) yeah.
John Doyle (22:57.67) Yeah, both Dylan and Chris and I kind of building and designing as we go rather than design it all, build it all, and then shoot the video. So we're just drawing lines in the sand, making it up as we go.
Phil (23:17.888) Is it, how has it been designing something and then having to use those same designs to actually build it? You know, cause a lot of times you're passing that off to Mark to build or.
John Doyle (23:29.212) I almost, yeah, I almost as a designer feel more comfortable doing it that way than I just I feel stressed when I'm like trying to get everything designed, get it all perfect, get it all drawn, and then like hand it off. Because all the details have to be there. Whereas I'm building it from my own design, I feel like I can make changes on the fly or, you know, adjust and
Go back and change the drawings and kind of see what works. What doesn't work. So It's like building a prototype for the final project like it's got to be good. It's got to work but You get a little Fudge room in there. So I almost prefer to do it that way. At least it's more It's not as stressful to hand it off to somebody else. You know, you know how judgy mark is
Phil (24:29.326) Well, I think you're right in the sense that having to have all of the things sorted out right at the beginning. Whereas I feel like whenever I'm designing a project, I get some of the big deals locked in. And then from there, I either don't need to go into all the detail because I know what's going to happen because it's all in my head anyway. Or like you said, there's some room for.
John Doyle (24:55.298) Mm-hmm.
Phil (24:59.886) improvisation or flexibility as you're going along where it's like, hey, you know, these pieces would look really cool because the grain runs and flows around. So I'm just going to do with this and whatever.
John Doyle (25:14.235) Yeah, but yeah, now that I say that, there were times too where I was designing something and it's like, I'm not exactly sure like the process to make this work or make it fit or the joinery. And then it's like, wait, I don't have to worry about that. else has to build this. They'll figure it out. And then they'll tell me how they did it. Or they'll complain to me that they didn't like it.
So a little from column A, a little from column B.
Phil (25:44.208) Which I think is interesting because you, from the outside, it's really easy to describe our process in the sense that you, Chris and Dylan design a project, hand it over to the shop. It gets built, photographed, written about, illustrated, put in the magazine. And whether by design or just the nature of how we work here,
You even if you were to come up with a fully.
fully enhanced set of drawings that you were to hand off to Mark, he's still coming back with questions or a comment or something like that where it's like, you drew it this way, I really want to do it this way instead or whatever. And that there is, there is a flow to it that isn't just in one direction.
John Doyle (26:42.84) Right. Yeah, same thing for when we show it in the magazine. We'll show a certain technique or tool that we used. But it's like, that's not the way I would have done it. But we're trying to show something different or just a different way of doing things or change up techniques. So there's more than one way to get things done.
Phil (27:10.733) Yeah, because, you know, just people have different either tooling or preferences or skills that they're familiar with and comfortable with doing that, that connect all that.
Phil (27:27.695) Because for example, on this bench top that you were working on, it's three layers of MDF thick. So 2 and 1 1⁄4 inch overall.
it would seem like you would normally it would seem like it would just be easy enough you just stack laminate those pieces together and then cut them to size or cut them to size and then laminate them together but that's not what you did
John Doyle (27:56.501) No. And then, well, I'm doing it two different ways because one of them has slots and dog holes in it for clamping accessories. And I did that. then the other one is just a solid top, no slots, no dog holes. And that one, it seems like I'm doing differently than with the slots because just getting.
using templates and cutting slots through two and a quarter inch versus doing three quarters at a time is different than just gluing up three layers and getting those all lined up and cut to size. There's definitely a process to it that makes it easier. Just because as you start putting layers of
MDF together, gets heavier and harder to move around and flip. So there's some little tips and tricks in there, I guess you could say.
Phil (29:03.983) Yeah.
Phil (29:07.981) Yeah, cause you ended up creating basically one layer that was final size. Subsequent layers went on one at a time and then you flush trimmed them. And I don't think that that's something that I normally would have thought about doing. And I would have ended up trying to glue this big, huge thing together. And then.
kind of cussed out myself for having to lift, you know, 200 pounds of MDF and move it across the table saw or something like that to cut it to size.
John Doyle (29:48.62) Yeah, it's definitely.
maneuvering a four by eight sheet around is difficult with the table saw or round table or whatever you're using. then also as you, because basically the three layers all come from a sheet, one sheet of plywood. So once you cut it apart and go back together, you're still trying to move a sheet, a full weight, weights worth of.
MDF so it's still hard to although it's narrower and shorter to get up on a table saw and move it around and whatnot and still get you know smooth cuts you know square corners accurate all that stuff so it's almost easier doing getting one layer perfect and then kind of using that as a template for the other ones
Phil (30:52.035) Yeah. Which kind of plays into when you're building a workbench, do you need a workbench to build it?
John Doyle (30:58.712) Yes, you have to start with all of the tools and you have a router table to build a router table. And so it's like, does it where does it start and end? I don't know. But yeah, I yeah, I was just saying I tried to show it, building it starting, you know, on the floor on saw horses and going from there rather than
Phil (31:11.811) Yeah. Yeah. So just the way that you're doing, go ahead.
John Doyle (31:26.54) Like a lot of times we're building off of our existing work benches and that kind of thing. So starting at the ground level here, literally.
Phil (31:34.809) Yeah.
Phil (31:40.356) which I'm working on a toolbox with my son and that's what we've been doing is, you know, it's just a lot of plywood pieces and I have a sheet of, I think, inch and a half foam that I use for cutting down all those pieces and...
It was one of those things that at some point I used to think that I would just get out, saw horses, put the foam on that, you know, with some supports on it, and then put the plywood on that and then start cutting it. But then that's just a lot of like lifting plywood, which even with two people just takes some doing.
Whereas if you just have the sheet of foam and you're able to totally get that, just work from the floor level, that is much easier.
John Doyle (32:38.933) Yeah, as you get older, it's easy to get down. It's harder to get up.
Phil (32:43.277) Yeah, right. Which is why I'm working with my son, because he's younger than me, and then I can rely on him to get get back up.
John Doyle (32:47.851) Yep. Great.
Phil (33:00.719) All right, one other thing that I wanted to bring up here and it was sparked by the fact that a couple of years ago I got, I had been looking for and then got a two inch wide chisel. Something that, you know, and not like some big humongous timber framing chisel. was like your normal bench chisel length.
but just two inches wide. wanted something that I could use for paring cuts and things like that. And I thought it was a decent chisel, but I found that the steel on it isn't really good. The edge rolls over pretty quickly. I've sharpened it at like 30 or 35 degrees, something like that. So I feel like at that angle, this should be a robust tool.
and it's not like I'm pounding out mortises or anything. It's just a... It's a trimming tool. It's a block plane with a handle on the back.
And I was talking to you and Logan about this as to what I should do with it. And Logan suggested re hardening the steel on it, which I could, and I still might. But that led to a series of questions like, is this worth it? And at what point do you just say goodbye to a tool?
This is just one of the avenues into that question. Because obviously you get like our drawer of dull bits for drill bits or router bits or something like that. Clearly if it's not working and it's a bit, there's a point where you toss it, get a new one or send it out to be sharpened or whatever. But I'm looking at specific tools, hand tools or power tools where it's like, I don't know that I need this anymore.
John Doyle (35:07.158) know the bits thing is always hard for especially like drill bits because we'll have a set of Forstner bits and like the three most used of the 10 are worn out but it's or like which ones are the ones that are worn so they always just like kind of get put back and take it out put back it's it's like yeah do you just replace the few that need to be replaced and then it's like by that time it's like
Phil (35:18.863) Ha!
John Doyle (35:35.296) Is it cheaper to get a whole new set? It's it's mental gymnastics and it's just hard to let go when it comes to the bit. And same with router bits. It's like, know how much you spend on each bit and it's like, at what point is it not serving its purpose anymore?
Phil (35:57.358) Yeah, because I had a, there was a bit in the shop here, I think it was a half inch spiral bit that it didn't look or feel super dull to me, but I had started mortising with a plunge router, you know, making shallow stepped cuts in white pine.
and it was smoking just something fierce like blue smoke all over the place and you're like at that point yeah that one's that one's ready to go to the great beyond
John Doyle (36:40.627) Yeah, definitely with the old straight bits when they get pitchy and discolored and burnt it's like okay I know that's gone that's toast get rid of that.
Phil (36:57.145) But yeah, so I would like to know for people, you know, like other tool power tools, you know, did you have an impulse buy on a specific power tool? And then it's like, you realize, you know, do you have a timeframe where, know, like I haven't used this thing in, you know, three years, five years. you let it go? And I feel like there's some either specialty tools or gadgety kind of tools that would fall into that.
John Doyle (37:27.241) Yeah. Yeah, I've had a mortiser that came and went and I've had a dovetail jig that's come and gone, like that kind of specialty thing where it's like, these are nice, but I don't use them enough. I'm moving them around or setting them up more than I'm getting enjoyable use out of them. They're, taking up space and feel like it can.
Phil (37:37.007) Mmm.
John Doyle (37:56.99) get some value back out of them by selling them and putting that into some other woodworking part of the budget. So definitely have that.
Phil (38:07.053) Right. Yeah.
Yeah, so see, maybe that's where part of this question comes from for me is having been at Logan's and he is definitely a
Phil (38:24.451) He is like the ocean tides of tool collecting where the tide comes in and there's all kinds of tools and things. And then the tide goes out and he sells a bunch or moves them on to something else. And only for the process and the cycle to, to continue. And unfortunately I end up applying a lot of sentimental value to tools, especially if I've been given them from somebody.
You know, dad gave me that. I'm not getting rid of that. You know, nevermind the fact that I haven't used it, you know, or got a replacement one that works better or is higher quality or whatever.
John Doyle (38:56.958) Thanks
John Doyle (39:00.873) Yeah.
John Doyle (39:07.368) Yeah. Yeah. It seems like I have some more sentimental hand tools that are kind of up on the shelf, dustable type thing, more than I use them. I still don't think I'd get rid of them, but they're there. They exist.
Phil (39:25.101) Yeah. Right.
Another thing that came up for me is I was, somebody was asking me about the upcoming woodworking tour trip to England is whether I was going to get something there, which would be kind of cool, you know, to find like a woodworking, maybe a vintage woodworking tool in England, because they have a much longer history of
longer history and the history of the craft than here, you know, and then it would be like, what would I get? Cause you know, in many instances, I feel like I'm sort of set for tools. So it would have to be like a replacement or.
you know, adding on to something that I that I do like a carving tool because I don't have a lot but I also don't want to end up with a ton of carving tools because I don't do that all the time, you know, it's a it's a balance.
John Doyle (40:30.514) It'll present itself when you see it. You'll know if you need it or not. somebody will talk you into it.
Phil (40:35.757) Right. Yeah.
Phil (40:40.589) Right. Which is why I'm glad I'm having Mike Peckovich come along with me because I'm sure that he will be one to...
talk me into it. And I can only hope that I'm there to be able to do that for him.
John Doyle (40:51.687) Yes.
John Doyle (40:56.443) Yeah.
Phil (41:02.393) So there you go.
So there's a couple of questions for you. What projects do you have still kicking around? When is it time to move on from that project?
And then also same thing with tools when is the time to move on from a tool and if you can give me an example of something a specific tool that you have Just let go of whether you ended up selling it upgraded it didn't use it and just Moved it on let me know. I want to hear about it. You can send that to our
email box you can send that to Woodsmith at woodsmith.com or leave a comment on the shop notes podcast YouTube page check that out don't forget to like and subscribe for all of that keep an eye out for the upcoming class that John and Chris and Dylan are a part of all the tips and tricks for setting up a woodworking shop as well as
some plans for some of our favorites and for all new One Wall Workshop that we're working on here. I think that wraps up another episode. Thanks for listening everybody. Bye.
